ABQ RIDE Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I was wondering, I have read that CT Transit is ordering the first Nova Bus Hybrid Artics to be made. Now my question is: What engine will these artics use? Nova uses the ISB 280 in their 40-foot LFS hybrids, however, does anyone know what the LFS hybrid artic will use. The problem is that as far as I know, the ISB isn't offered in a 330 hp version suitable for artic use. Perhpas they could simply go the New Flyer/NABI route and use the ISL 330 hp, however, another possible option would be to use the ISC 330 hp (yes, the ISC is still made), which is a little smaller than the ISL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Ugh. Duplicate posts means duplicate replies. I don't think the ISC is avalible in buses anymore, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Ugh. Duplicate posts means duplicate replies. I don't think the ISC is avalible in buses anymore, is it? Blue Bird still offers the ISC as their standard engine on their All-American RE school bus, and Thomas offers it as an option for the Saf-T-Liner HDX (in addition to the Mercedes-Benz MBE926). As for transit buses, manufacturers haven't offered it since EPA 2007-compliant engines have become available. However, that doesn't really prevent Nova, Cummins, and Allison to negotiate to have it as an option with the EP50 hybrid drivetrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 As for transit buses, manufacturers haven't offered it since EPA 2007-compliant engines have become available. However, that doesn't really prevent Nova, Cummins, and Allison to negotiate to have it as an option with the EP50 hybrid drivetrain. Yes it does. If isn't EPA 2010 compliant, it's not going to happen. I think you're assuming that because it would be used in a hybrid and might reduce some emmissons because it is in a hybrid, that it would be allowed. I don't think that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiExpress Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 To be perfectly fair I haven't seen anything suggesting what NovaBus might do for the LFS articulated hybrid. It's not really a question that can be answered for sure because it hasn't been made public and that info would only be known to NovaBus engineering. It's one of those things where you have to wait and see. Even better, it's something to consider before even asking the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Yes it does. If isn't EPA 2010 compliant, it's not going to happen. I think you're assuming that because it would be used in a hybrid and might reduce some emmissons because it is in a hybrid, that it would be allowed. I don't think that's the case. There IS an EPA 2010 Cummins ISC8.3 engine. Read about it here: http://cumminsengines.com/every/applicatio...C83_school.page? If school bus manufacturers can offer it, I don't see why Nova couldn't offer it for the LFS Artic Hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiExpress Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 There IS an EPA 2010 Cummins ISC8.3 engine. Read about it here:http://cumminsengines.com/every/applicatio...C83_school.page? If school bus manufacturers can offer it, I don't see why Nova couldn't offer it for the LFS Artic Hybrid. The ISC is listed for a school bus application. Doesn't mean it's certified for transit applications.While it possibly could be used in a transit application, the truth is that it doesn't always work. Individual vehicles might need certain components from a particular engine to meet EPA specs, or a engine itself might have components that work with a school bus or truck but not a transit bus. An example, the Orion V went from ISM to ISL for EPA 2007 because the ISL had components that allowed the V to meet EPA 2007, even though the ISM was EPA 2007 certified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 One issue...the ISC is listed for a school bus application. While it possibly could be used in a transit application, the truth is that it doesn't always work. Individual vehicles might need certain components from a particular engine to meet EPA specs, or a engine itself might have components that work with a school bus or truck but not a transit bus. An example, the Orion V went from ISM to ISL for EPA 2007 because the ISL had components that allowed the V to meet EPA 2007, even though the ISM was EPA 2007 certified. Also, as far as I know, the major transit bus manufactrers do not currently plan offering the new ISX11.9 engine for their 40-foot and 60-foot straight diesel buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septa105R5/seClip9 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Now my question is: What engine will these artics use? Likely ISL since a 330HP hybrid version is designed for artic hybrid buses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted September 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Sorry to bump, however, I just got confirmation from Nova that the CT Transit Nova LFS Hybrid Artics will use the Cummins ISL 330 engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehartfordboy Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Sorry to bump, however, I just got confirmation from Nova that the CT Transit Nova LFS Hybrid Artics will use the Cummins ISL 330 engine. I would assume so, because ISB seems so underpowered for a 60 foot model bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmarco12 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 I was wondering, I have read that CT Transit is ordering the first Nova Bus Hybrid Artics to be made.Now my question is: What engine will these artics use? Nova uses the ISB 280 in their 40-foot LFS hybrids, however, does anyone know what the LFS hybrid artic will use. The problem is that as far as I know, the ISB isn't offered in a 330 hp version suitable for artic use. Perhpas they could simply go the New Flyer/NABI route and use the ISL 330 hp, however, another possible option would be to use the ISC 330 hp (yes, the ISC is still made), which is a little smaller than the ISL. they use a ISL EPA 10 with a Allison EP50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translink fan Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Interesting! I'd love to see how the LFS articulated hybrid turns out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey10m Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 any photo of the hybrid artics yet, have the got one yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'rion One Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 First unit has arrived: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andru Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Great pictures, thank you! The bus looks pretty much as expected, though I'm surprised it's numbered in the 10xx series. Not only this is the first Nova Artic hybrid, but the only production Nova hybrid in more than a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehartfordboy Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Great pictures, thank you! The bus looks pretty much as expected, though I'm surprised it's numbered in the 10xx series. Not only this is the first Nova Artic hybrid, but the only production Nova hybrid in more than a year. True. I always thought 11xx it would be in, but then again the order is late. I guess next set will be 11xx or 12xx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLy Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Ooo, nice buses!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikebuses Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Shiny artic Nova Hybrids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translink fan Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 i'd like to ride the bus to hear that ISL9 and the EP50 Hybridrive system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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