MiExpress Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 With all the gospel manufacturers like to pass on about them being the "leader" in hybrid buses or "we've sold this much of them" and so on I thought it would be interesting to document a complete listing and total of hybrid buses sold by each manufacturer as these claims and sales figures change day by day. In my lists I only included vehicles currently in operation or on firm orders (not "options" that most manufacturers seem to use to exaggerate most of their sales figures) and did not include demonstrator buses. I also want to have a list of hybrid systems sold per their original manufacturers (BAE, Allison, etc.) I'm also only looking for buses that came originally manufactured as such, not converted later on etc. etc. Here is the start of a list I have compiled using various sources such as rosters, manufacturer press releases, city reports, etc. Orion/Daimler Buses North America (BAE Systems) New York City - 1,685 Toronto - 694 Houston - 276 Ottawa - 177 Seattle - 93 San Fransisco - 86 Port Authority NY/NJ - 41 San Juan, Puerto Rico - 40 Mississauga - 15 Binghampton, New York - 10 California Hybrid Project (San Fransisco, Torrance, Fresno) - 6 Ulster County, New York - 6 Roosevelt Island, New York - 6 Westchester County, New York - 4 Dutchess County, New York - 2 Boston - 2 Edmonton - 2 Des Moines - 1 Total: 2,516 (BAE Systems) New Flyer (GM Allison, ISE noted) Seattle - 352 Philadelphia - 351 Washington - 253 Chicago - 228 (10 ISE) Baltimore - 194 Albuquerque - 106 Honolulu - 99 Sound Transit - 46 Brampton - 41 Houston - 40 Vancouver - 38 Las Vegas -38 CT Transit - 33 Hamilton - 30 Community Transit - 30 San Antonio - 27 Boston - 25 Cleveland - 21 St. Catharines - 19 Broward County - 19 Miami - 19 Windsor - 24 Lane Transit District - 11 San Juan - 10 Saskatoon - 8 Golden Gate Transit - 7 Lansing - 7 Aspen, Colorado - 6 BC Transit - 6 Edmonton - 4 (2 ISE) Austin - 3 Grand Forks, North Dakota - 2 Total: 2,043 (2,028 GM/Allison, 12 ISE) Nova Bus (GM Allison, ISE where noted) Coast Mountain Bus - 141 Strathcona - 10 Montreal - 8 Grand River Transit - 6 Brantford - 5 Banff - 4 New Jersey - 3 (RTS ISE) New York - 2 (RTS) SURF - 2 Gatineau - 2 Quebec City - 1 Total: 179 (176 GM Allison, 3 ISE) NABI (GM Allison) Westchester - 95 Broward County - 48 Las Vegas - 30 Chapel Hill - 6 Nashville - 6 LYNX - 2 Total: 192 (GM Allison) Gillig (GM Allison, Voith where noted) Minneapolis-St. Paul - 97 Albany - 71 Minneapolis-St. Paul - 64 Buffalo - 43 Montgomery County - 35 Pittsburgh - 30 Ann Arbor - 27 Hampton Roads - 27 Durham - 20 Delaware (statewide) - 19 Rockland - 16 Missoula - 14 Clark County - 12 Ames - 12 (Voith) Dayton - 10 Winston-Salem - 10 Contra Costa - 9 (Voith Fairfax - 9 Lafayette - 9 Orlando - 9 Syracuse - 9 Lynchburg - 8 Fort Wayne - 7 Olympia - 6 Berks Area/Reading - 5 Madison - 5 Suffolk County - 5 Fort Wright - 4 Kansas City - 4 Tampa - 3 West Palm Beach - 3 Eureka - 2 Merrimack Valley - 2 New Bedford - 2 Reno - 2 Trinidad/Scotia - 2 Vail - 2 Charlotte - 1 Duluth - 1 Livermore Amador Valley - 1 Springfield - 1 Total: 476 (466 GM Allison, 21 Voith) Motor Coach Industries (GM Allison) Houston - 122 New Jersey - 4 Total: 126 (GM Allison) Designline (Turbine) Baltimore - 20 New York - 4 Total: 24 Totals by hybrid system GM/Allison: 2,990 BAE: 2,516 Designline: 24 Voith: 21 ISE: 15 This is just a start for now and will start adding other manufacturers and agencies (contributions welcome) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieko Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Torrance Transit has 1, had 2 Orion VI with BAE HybriDrive. They're Diesel -- one caught fire, the other just sits in the yard with only 30K miles on it -- Great place to have lunch, hah! Anyway, what about gasoline-electric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andru Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Add 5 Nova LFS hybrids to Brantford Transit. Weren't there some RTS hybrids as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 RTC Ride (Reno, Nevada) is adding 8 New Flyer DE60LFRs in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehartfordboy Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 CT Transit has 2 New Flyer DE40LFs (GM/Allison) and an order of 37 hybrids (17 XDE35, 14 XDE40, and 6 LFSA Hybrids) coming in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 CT Transit has 2 New Flyer DE40LFs (GM/Allison) and an order of 37 hybrids (17 XDE35, 14 XDE40, and 6 LFSA Hybrids) coming in the near future. Added to wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 There are 3 transit in total from Gillig now have a Voith DIWAHybrid propulsion. Cyride is one of them and the other is County Connection. I have to check back one more who has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Add 5 Nova LFS hybrids to Brantford Transit.Weren't there some RTS hybrids as well? There were RTS hybrids. New Jersey Transit had 2 or 3 Nova/ ISE hybrids. There were also at least 1 RTS hybrid operated by New York MTA. I think there actually might have been 5... I have the info somewhere, but have to run for now. These 2 groups of buses were perhaps more so experimental buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaT Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 WIndsor has 6 more NFI hybrids on order so you can bring us up to 24 from 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Based on the wiki, here is what I have so far for Gillig/Allison hybrid: Albany - 71 Minneapolis-St. Paul - 64 Buffalo - 43 Montgomery County (MD) - 35 Pittsburgh - 30 Ann Arbor - 27 Hampton Roads - 27 Durham - 20 Delaware (statewide) - 19 Rockland - 16 Missoula - 14 Clark County (WA) - 12 Dayton - 10 Winston-Salem - 10 Fairfax - 9 Lafayette - 9 Orlando - 9 Syracuse - 9 Lynchburg - 8 Fort Wayne - 7 Olympia - 6 Berks Area/Reading - 5 Madison - 5 Suffolk County - 5 Fort Wright - 4 Kansas City - 4 Tampa - 3 West Palm Beach - 3 Eureka - 2 Merrimack Valley - 2 New Bedford - 2 Reno - 2 Trinidad/Scotia - 2 Vail - 2 Charlotte - 1 Duluth - 1 Livermore Amador Valley - 1 Springfield (MA) - 1 Quantity unknown: Lowell San Joaquin Santa Barbara Solano/Contra Costa County Spokane Steamboat Springs Total is 433, not including those of an unknown quantity. Please feel free to give some corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 DesignLine currently has 20 turbine hybrid buses in operation in Baltimore, 4 in New York, and an unknown number in operation for Charlotte-Douglas International Airport. These would definitely warrant their own category. There were also at least 1 RTS hybrid operated by New York MTA. I think there actually might have been 5... I have the info somewhere, but have to run for now. I believe that there were at least 2 of them -- the demo bus was numbered 9900, and there was at least one other bus numbered in the 6000 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 BC Transit has 6, not 3, New Flyer/ Allison's. 3 in Kelowna, 3 in Victoria. There is also the 'decker hybrid running in Victoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Casca Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 DesignLine currently has 20 turbine hybrid buses in operation in Baltimore, 4 in New York, and an unknown number in operation for Charlotte-Douglas International Airport. These would definitely warrant their own category.I believe that there were at least 2 of them -- the demo bus was numbered 9900, and there was at least one other bus numbered in the 6000 series. 9900 was the first completely built hybrid, IINM 8397 was converted from a methanol-powered bus to a GM diesel-electric demonstrator 6360 was the first of 5 2000 model RTS hybrids that were to have been built, 2 were built (6360, 6361), but only 6360 made it to New York AND in passenger service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septa105R5/seClip9 Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Upon viewing it, my area has the second largest transit fleet of hybrids from New Flyer and the largest Northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seashore_518203 Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 There are 3 transit in total from Gillig now have a Voith DIWAHybrid propulsion. A Gillig BRT bus with the Voith DIWAHybrid propulsion was in Oshawa today for a demo for Durham Region Transit. Photos attached are courtesy of Richard Oldfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Wong Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Neat, same one that was demoed at the 2008 APTA Expo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wchu94 Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Add NJ Transit... - 3 Nova RTS-06 (ISE ThunderVolt) - 4 MCI D4000h (GM-Allison Hybrid EP 50) Houston - 122 MCI D4500 (GM-Allison Hybrid EP 50) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2044 Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 CyRide has 12 Gillig Voith hybrids. Contra Costa County has 9 Gillig Voith hybrids. Rockland County is to receive 9 MCI Allison hybrids. An of course, GO has 2 MCI Allison hybrids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 CyRide has 12 Gillig Voith hybrids. Contra Costa County has 9 Gillig Voith hybrids. Rockland County is to receive 9 MCI Allison hybrids. An of course, GO has 2 MCI Allison hybrids. Do you know which type of Voith hybrids? From what I recall they were offering both series and parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilligfanboi Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 You can add CapMetro in Austin, TX to the list. But only for a meager 3 units. They have 2 DE40LFs and 1 DE40LFR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcmetro Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Minneapolis St. Paul Metro Transit actually has 97 Gillig Hybrids: 7100-7102 - 2002 models 7110-7128 - 2007 models 7140-7184 - 2008 models (45 of 75 in an order) 7200-72xx - 2010 models (up to 30 more of an order). If I'm not mistaken the 2002 models are also the first hybrids ever delivered to a TA for non-testing purposes. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiExpress Posted August 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Post has been updated with the above contributions. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2044 Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Do you know which type of Voith hybrids? From what I recall they were offering both series and parallel. The ones in the Gillig buses are parallel. The serial ElvoDrive from Voith does not appear to be an option on Gillig buses yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 The ones in the Gillig buses are parallel. The serial ElvoDrive from Voith does not appear to be an option on Gillig buses yet. The ElvoDrive won't be available in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 7100-7102 - 2002 modelsIf I'm not mistaken the 2002 models are also the first hybrids ever delivered to a TA for non-testing purposes. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. Perhaps. Tri-met also purchased 3 hybrids from New Flyer in 2002. Not sure who technically came first between those two though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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