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 Various buses and trains seen at Boston from my recent trip there. Featuring MBTA Type 7 and 8 LRV on Green Line Routes. New Flyer D40LF, Xcelsior XDE40 and XDE60 on regular bus route as well as Silver Line. Also an NJ Transit Train ALP-45DP was seen at Secaucus Junction during a layover there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never got to see any RTS at the time I was up there (since I was there only for weekend; would imagine all RTS were in weekday rush hour service back then). From the observation while I was there, pretty much the Xcelsior XDE40 dominated much of the routes although 2006-2008 New Flyer D40LF. And I loved seeing those 2017 New Flyer Xcelsior XDE60 for Silver Line 4 and 5 there, though most have been service since it debuted few months ago, they still looked great. All of MBTA articulated bus fleet is now all hybrid artic with Xcelsior XDE60 and DE60LFR (though I never see them). The recent Xcelsior XDE60 at Silver Line replaced the last of Neoplan AN460LF CNG that helped started the Silver Line back then in 2004

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Was in Boston again this past weekend for the St Patrick's Day shenanigans, and got to ride the Orange line. Love the 80s aesthetic, and made in Canada to boot! 

Are the destination signs still manually hand-cranked?

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The Silver Line busway in Chelsea opens today.  Also called the Silver Line Gateway, the centerpiece of the new line is a 1.3 mile dedicated busway with four stations built along an unused section of the former Grand Junction Railroad right of way.  Route SL3 operates from Chelsea to South Station via the busway, Airport station (but not Logan Airport itself which is served by route SL1), the Ted Williams Tunnel and the Waterfront transitway.  As with the other two Waterfront routes, the SL3 will be operated with the Neoplan dual-mode buses.  

More info here - https://mbta.com/projects/silver-line-3-chelsea-sl3

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3 hours ago, RailBus63 said:

As with the other two Waterfront routes, the SL3 will be operated with the Neoplan dual-mode buses.  

Don't forget that the New Flyer XE60 all-electrics were ordered for this expansion. I haven't been able to find any recent media coverage about it, but don't be surprised if buses without trolley poles enter the tunnel.

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On 4/21/2018 at 10:40 AM, Transit geek said:

Don't forget that the New Flyer XE60 all-electrics were ordered for this expansion. I haven't been able to find any recent media coverage about it, but don't be surprised if buses without trolley poles enter the tunnel.

They have already been testing the XDE60's in the tunnel.  Also, two trackless trolleys were repainted in Silver Line colors and moved from North Cambridge to Southampton for the rush-hours South Station-Silver Line Way route to free up dual-modes for the SL3.

Latest on the five XE60's is delivery sometime later in 2018 or even 2019.  

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The MBTA's XDE60 test bus with BAE's Series-ER hybrid system is due to arrive sometime in August. This hybrid system will, through the use of BAE's ESS-3G-32K battery system, allow the bus to travel through the Waterfront tunnel entirely on battery power and switch to normal hybrid mode on surface streets.

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14 hours ago, swtat said:

The MBTA's XDE60 test bus with BAE's Series-ER hybrid system is due to arrive sometime in August. This hybrid system will, through the use of BAE's ESS-3G-32K battery system, allow the bus to travel through the Waterfront tunnel entirely on battery power and switch to normal hybrid mode on surface streets.

This would be a perfect opportunity for MBTA to trial battery-trolleybuses like the XT60s in Seattle and San Francisco or the NextGen trolleybuses just arriving at Dayton. All have In Motion Charging, so the trolleys can charge their batteries as they run through the tunnel  and then run on battery on the unwired surface sections.

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13 hours ago, martin607 said:

This would be a perfect opportunity for MBTA to trial battery-trolleybuses like the XT60s in Seattle and San Francisco or the NextGen trolleybuses just arriving at Dayton. All have In Motion Charging, so the trolleys can charge their batteries as they run through the tunnel  and then run on battery on the unwired surface sections.

Unfortunately the tunnel is only about a mile in length and a round trip is surely insufficient to top up the batteries enough to travel the remaining distance without needing a recharge. Therefore it makes sense for the MBTA to consider vehicles that would primarily operate off-wire instead of the latter.

But I'm not suggesting that your idea is inappropriate; it might work well on the Harvard trolleybus routes as they are entirely wired and therefore there is enough time to charge the batteries there than on the Silver Line section. One such route could be route 77 where part of the route uses wires and the rest does not.

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The MBTA is committed to going eventually to battery electric buses - both the Silver Line Waterfront and Harvard trackless operations will very possibly be replaced by those in the 2020's.

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17 hours ago, Transit geek said:

Unfortunately the tunnel is only about a mile in length and a round trip is surely insufficient to top up the batteries enough to travel the remaining distance without needing a recharge. Therefore it makes sense for the MBTA to consider vehicles that would primarily operate off-wire instead of the latter.

But I'm not suggesting that your idea is inappropriate; it might work well on the Harvard trolleybus routes as they are entirely wired and therefore there is enough time to charge the batteries there than on the Silver Line section. One such route could be route 77 where part of the route uses wires and the rest does not.

Yes, having now looked into it more, I agree the tunnel section is probably too short to obtain enough recharging under the wires. What about the SL2? 

I don't know whether it has been mentioned here before, but the dual mode buses are undergoing a major overhaul. Bodies & interiors are being done by a firm called Maine Military Authority while the electrical equipment is being upgraded by the original manufacturer, Skoda Electric ( Czech Republic). By the end of February 24 of the 32 buses had had their refit. So I guess that means that the original fleet will be around for another 5 to 8 years. The NFI XE60s will augment the fleet. It says they will be depot charging but do we know whether they will have battery range for a whole day's service or will they return to the depot after the am peak and recharge around mid-day for the pm peak?

It would be good if IMC battery trolleybuses could be trialled on the Harvard routes as you say. 

2 hours ago, RailBus63 said:

The MBTA is committed to going eventually to battery electric buses - both the Silver Line Waterfront and Harvard trackless operations will very possibly be replaced by those in the 2020's.

At least with regard to the Harvard trolleybus routes, the question is: Why replace one kind of electric bus with another?  I guess the answer will be standardisation. The North Cambridge trolleybuses are a small subset of the fleet. But believe me I have studied the economics and performance of both types and it just is not a forgone conclusion that battery buses are somehow "better". Both types have pros and cons. Battery buses need far more capital investment in electrical distribution than people imagine (though probably less than trolleybuses) but there can be problems with weight, limited range, lower productivity because of charging downtime etc etc. 

Who takes these sweeping decisions? Are they based on critical analysis by electrical engineers or listening to a lot of hype from various snake oil salesmen?

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