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I wonder if anyone who is a TriMet expert, on this board, could give me a list of bus shake-ups? As recently as this past March, for example, a couple 2900s from the Merlo garage were assigned to some Line 33 runs. I would also like to know if because of these shake-ups, expected to end in June, involve some of the old 1700/1817 series Flxible Metros (the "dinosaurs") being put on some other lines connecting to downtown Milwaukie? I know Line 31 had an 1817 series Flxible assigned to it.

Thus, specifically, I wonder what buses garaged out of Merlo are being assigned to any Milwaukie-area routes during this shake up? The specific lines serving the Milwaukie area (which all meet in downtown Milwaukie at SE Main & Jackson) are:

28-Linwood

29-Lake/Webster

31-King Rd.

32-Oatfield

33-McLoughlin

34-River Rd.

70-12th Ave.

75-Cesar E. Chavez Blvd. (39th Ave.)/Lombard

99-McLoughlin Express

152-Milwaukie

Thank you,

Ben

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I wonder if anyone who is a TriMet expert, on this board, could give me a list of bus shake-ups? As recently as this past March, for example, a couple 2900s from the Merlo garage were assigned to some Line 33 runs. I would also like to know if because of these shake-ups, expected to end in June, involve some of the old 1700/1817 series Flxible Metros (the "dinosaurs") being put on some other lines connecting to downtown Milwaukie? I know Line 31 had an 1817 series Flxible assigned to it. Thus, specifically, I wonder what buses garaged out of Merlo are being assigned to any Milwaukie-area routes during this shake up? The specific lines serving the Milwaukie area (which all meet in downtown Milwaukie at SE Main & Jackson) are: 28-Linwood 29-Lake/Webster 31-King Rd. 32-Oatfield 33-McLoughlin 34-River Rd. 70-12th Ave. 75-Cesar E. Chavez Blvd. (39th Ave.)/Lombard 99-McLoughlin Express 152-Milwaukie Thank you, Ben

Take a look at the "train number/run number" that's located at the bottom curbside corner of the windshield - any number that is xx01-xx30 is based out of Center Street garage (I am pretty certain that at least the 32, 33, 70, 75, and 99 mostly come out of Center). xx31-xx60 would come out of Powell garage, and xx61-xx90 come out of Merlo garage. I have noticed that 1 2900-series line 33 run (I think it is 3369 if I am not mistaken) - it seemed odd to me as well to see that 2900 on the 33. I have also seen that particular run going back on Highway 217 back toward Merlo at the end of the day - I'm not quite sure why that particular run was designed that way.

Though Merlo has the vast majority of 1700/1800 Flexible buses, Center does have a few of them and both Center and Powell have even older 1400-series Gilligs - those are going to be retired in the next 3 months or so with the "3000-series" Gillig BRT buses starting up in July-ish.

I wouldn't have any more info on particular run info...maybe Al Margulies would have some interesting TriMet related info - his blog is now titled something like "Rantings of a TriMess bus driver"

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Agreed. The Low Floors should be for base day service and the older high floor Gilligs and Flxibles higher capacity buses are excellent for peak rush hour trips. That's how things are run up here in Calgary with our lone NFI D40, the MCI Classics, and the old GM Fishbowls. They come out during peak hours to do School and rush hour extras along with some of the older 1993-1995 D40LF's while most of the newer D40LF/LFR's and Nova's work base all day service.

Up in Hartford, CT, We have different sets of New Flyer low floors. Our 200, 300, and 500 series buses see peak service and day runs that end early. Some 500, most 700, and our new Novabus Hybrid Artics see late service. Excepts are the Express buses that see rush hour, no matter how old or new and the Star Shuttle fleet.

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Take a look at the "train number/run number" that's located at the bottom curbside corner of the windshield - any number that is xx01-xx30 is based out of Center Street garage (I am pretty certain that at least the 32, 33, 70, 75, and 99 mostly come out of Center). xx31-xx60 would come out of Powell garage, and xx61-xx90 come out of Merlo garage. I have noticed that 1 2900-series line 33 run (I think it is 3369 if I am not mistaken) - it seemed odd to me as well to see that 2900 on the 33. I have also seen that particular run going back on Highway 217 back toward Merlo at the end of the day - I'm not quite sure why that particular run was designed that way.

Though Merlo has the vast majority of 1700/1800 Flexible buses, Center does have a few of them and both Center and Powell have even older 1400-series Gilligs - those are going to be retired in the next 3 months or so with the "3000-series" Gillig BRT buses starting up in July-ish.

I wouldn't have any more info on particular run info...maybe Al Margulies would have some interesting TriMet related info - his blog is now titled something like "Rantings of a TriMess bus driver"

Yeah, that is his blog.

Anyways, yes, Jared...

I also saw a 2900 on Line 33 numerous times weeks ago, with the train number 3367. Yes, with shake-ups each season, you never know what to expect.

I know that even Lines 94-Sherwood/Pacific Hwy. Express (which this fall will also provide all-day service between Sherwood and Tigard, replacing Line 12's all-day service in this extension) and 96-Tualatin I-5 seem to have Center Street-centric train numbers (9401, 9601, etc.) even though both routes also lie within the proximity of Merlo Garage; the train numbers for buses outta there would run from 9461 to 9490 for Line 94 and 9661 to 9690 for Line 96.

John Dornoff told me he once saw a 1994 Flxible #1819 on Line 31 leaving Clackamas Town Center, in a moment where certain passengers did not get on the bus (despite the operator saying that the bus is on Line 31) because they didn't think it was actually a true Line 31 bus. The head sign said "16-Front Avenue/St. Johns" (and I believe most runs on this particular line come out of Center Garage, right?)

~Ben

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  • 4 weeks later...

For Jared:

http://media.trimet....ding-4-hybrids/

TriMet receives $7.5 million in federal grants to buy 18 buses for 2013, four of which will be "super hybrid" buses. This would obviously be independent of their current order of 55 buses, currently being built and tested. 14 of these are given the term "mini hybrid" which neither means "small bus" nor "hybrid" but rather they are conventional diesel buses which use an advanced electric fan cooling system (a concept TriMet first tried out on its 2009 D40LFR buses, the 2900 series, and they also retrofitted their older LF units with this NASCAR-inspired cooling system).

Combined with the four hybrids to make their way this fall, the four "super hybrids" planned for 2013 delivery will bring that total to eight new hybrid buses. In all, TriMet will be operating 10 hybrid buses (if you count the two New Flyer DE40LF models that were built in 2001, units 2561-2562).

~Ben

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Combined with the four hybrids to make their way this fall, the four "super hybrids" planned for 2013 delivery will bring that total to eight new hybrid buses. In all, TriMet will be operating 10 hybrid buses (if you count the two New Flyer DE40LF models that were built in 2001, units 2561-2562).

Sounds like a very small fleet of Hybrids...

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Combined with the four hybrids to make their way this fall, the four "super hybrids" planned for 2013 delivery will bring that total to eight new hybrid buses. In all, TriMet will be operating 10 hybrid buses (if you count the two New Flyer DE40LF models that were built in 2001, units 2561-2562). ~Ben

2561& 2562 were pulled from service, so TriMets current Hybrid fleet count is 0.

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2561& 2562 were pulled from service, so TriMets current Hybrid fleet count is 0.

Thank you for the update. Apparently, these two were not particularly successful for some reason. According to one "anonymous" poster there, one of the buses needed a new battery and the other a new transmission.

~Ben

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Is Tri-Met still running a lot of the Flxible Metros? I am planning a visit in November, hopefully, the Flxibles will be around to be seen.

Are the Flxibles running during just rush hours now or are they still on local as well?

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Chris,

Due to age, they are indeed now only found mainly on peak-hour runs, such as lines 94 and 99, along with the remainder of the 1990 Gillig Phantoms (1400 series). However, you can find many more Flxibles (the 1700 and 1817 series) on runs based primarily out of the Merlo Road garage in Beaverton (lines 43, 45, 54/56, 57, 62)--y'know, the West side.

TriMet's new batch of Gillig BRT low floors (55 this year and 54 the next year, plus unknown counts for 2014-17) will soon replace these "dinosaurs."

~Ben

Is Tri-Met still running a lot of the Flxible Metros? I am planning a visit in November, hopefully, the Flxibles will be around to be seen.

Are the Flxibles running during just rush hours now or are they still on local as well?

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I'd love to know how many of the 1400s (37), 1600s (38,39), 1700s (40), 1800s (44) and 1900s (41) are still left on TriMet's current bus count. These being the dinosaurs in their fleet, I would presume these respective fleet counts, whatever they are, will be much less once the new Gilligs enter revenue service this fall.

Already, certain 1700s and 1800s had been cannibalized (in other words: all the good parts transferred from the buses to be scrapped, to be used on buses still viable for service).

~Ben

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Hi,

Does anyone here know what's left of the 1400 and 1600-series Gillig Phantoms and the 1700, 1817 and 1900-series Flxible buses, as of late? Like, how many of them have been parked awaiting being scrapped or something?

While I know TriMet is set to receive 55 buses from Gillig this fall and to buy about 40 more each successive year through 2016, I cannot help wonder what the status is on their oldest buses whose Cummins L10 and M11 engines don't meet current emissions standards.

Already I've seen reports suggesting TriMet is cannibalizing parts from these four fleets, dating between 1990-1994.

Again, I would like details as to which units in these five series of high-floored buses have been or are awaiting being scrapped.

Thank you,

Ben Edge

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Hi,

Does anyone here know what's left of the 1400 and 1600-series Gillig Phantoms and the 1700, 1817 and 1900-series Flxible buses, as of late? Like, how many of them have been parked awaiting being scrapped or something?

While I know TriMet is set to receive 55 buses from Gillig this fall and to buy about 40 more each successive year through 2016, I cannot help wonder what the status is on their oldest buses whose Cummins L10 and M11 engines don't meet current emissions standards.

Already I've seen reports suggesting TriMet is cannibalizing parts from these four fleets, dating between 1990-1994.

Again, I would like details as to which units in these five series of high-floored buses have been or are awaiting being scrapped.

Thank you,

Ben Edge

I'd like to know myself, since I plan to be in the Portland/Seattle area in October, here's to hoping I will find some. Something told me to look in the Beaverton area, that seems to me where all the transit action is, regarding bus AND rail...

--Dr. C

HBLR Specialist

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I'd like to know myself, since I plan to be in the Portland/Seattle area in October, here's to hoping I will find some. Something told me to look in the Beaverton area, that seems to me where all the transit action is, regarding bus AND rail...

--Dr. C

HBLR Specialist

A majority of the Flxible Metros (the 1700/1817/1900 series) are working actively on routes mainly out of the Merlo Garage, such as Lines 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 52, 54/56, 55, 57, 67, 76/78, 88, 89 and 92, although some of those routes now have the 2900 series New Flyers on them.

The majority of the active Gillig Phantoms from 1990-91 (the 1400/1600 series), on the other hand, can be found on routes based out of the Powell Garage, like Lines 23, 25, 80, 81, 82 and 87.

~Ben

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A majority of the Flxible Metros (the 1700/1817/1900 series) are working actively on routes mainly out of the Merlo Garage, such as Lines 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 52, 54/56, 55, 57, 67, 76/78, 88, 89 and 92, although some of those routes now have the 2900 series New Flyers on them.

The majority of the active Gillig Phantoms from 1990-91 (the 1400/1600 series), on the other hand, can be found on routes based out of the Powell Garage, like Lines 23, 25, 80, 81, 82 and 87.

~Ben

OK, I will check back often, especially as the time gets closer.

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Well for your viewing pleasure, here is a shot of 3001 taken outside Beaverton TC on my trip to Portland earlier this month. Of course it was just by luck that it came by while I was fanning the buses these will replace, the Flexible Metros.

trimet_3001-3.jpg

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Doesn't look too bad...though they better hold off on replacing those Flxibles until I get there...! Get rid of some them there Phantoms first... a Gillig for a Gillig...

:D:P

You may be lucky since TriMet anticipates on replacing the Flxibles when the 3100s arrive in 2013.

~Ben

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Hey, for anyone who might be interested...

As of this past Monday TriMet has placed some of its 25 test buses on the road with the new INIT radio and AVL/ASA systems. They are actually pretty sweet as the voice readouts are actually understandable and the touch screen interface is a HUGE improvement from the previous BDS system. They also announce in downtown Portland, which the previous system was unable to accomplish. In order for these new radios to be functional, two temporary antennas on large trucks had to be made available as GE found some dead spots in downtown Portland where the radios were not working - they are currently working to install permanent antennas to supplement the system.

These 25 buses are running out of the Merlo garage - I know that 2648 and 2801 have them installed and are running routes from Merlo. I'm sure that these Center garage buses will be returned to them once more buses get the new systems installed and deployed. Merlo will be the first garage to have these buses deployed until Powell garage deploys the next new buses.

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Today's the day the 3000 series buses are officially sworn in: be on the lookout for them on such Lines as 9-Powell, 19-Woodstock/Glisan and 4-Division/Fessenden. Most of the 1400s, 1600s and 1900s, and some 1700s, are no more today as a result.

~Ben

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