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M. Parsons

M. Parsons

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If you got the money, why not eh? :o

New Flyer has money? :)

Anyways, I think I've got enough out of tovinman to post my suspicions about his usual bullshit posts.

The hydrogn hybrid which was converted to hybrid also was converted back to diesel and

converted to D40LFr in the hope of selling it to someone...but apparently even Community Transit won't buy a ten year old bus.

M. Parsons: New Flyer built a hydrogen hybrid in 2000? Was this the same one that operated in Winnipeg for cold weather testing and then went to SunLine?
Yes, then it came back and was converted to a Allison EP40 hybrid. Then it came back again and was converted to a DE40LFr. Oddly enough, the D40LFr

front doors they used are painted in TransLink colors. It's officially SR328.

From another thread...

SR328 (the former SunBus hydrogen prototype converted to hybrid then converted to D40LFr with the addition of front doors

from a TransLink unit)

So, this is what tovinman has established...

There was a bus built in 2000 to run on hydrogen.

This bus was cold weather tested in Winnipeg. I believe it is well known a hydrogen bus was tested in Winnipeg in 2005, and then went to SunLine.

tovinman claims that this bus was converted yo diesel hybrid, and then further converted to a LFR.

How accurate is this? I think it is a complete load of shit. Is this a surprise? Not in my time dealing with Mr. Bowman.

From a New Flyer production roster on the internet that seems reasonably accurate and probably based on inside information, there is no hydrogen bus noted in 2000. There is a note of a demo hybrid.

http://community-2.webtv.net/ajkristopans/FLYER/page2.html

I've done a lot of research for various reasons into hybrid and what not. In particular, I've tried to find information on the little known Allison Es hybrid... Allison's first hybrid drive which was based upon series architecture.

One document notes OCTA starting testing of 1 New Flyer/ Allison Es hybrid in December 2000.

I have a newspaper article gather off of the internet dated December 15, 2000 which is about this bus and notes “high-tech passenger bus hailed as the transportation wave of the future was unveiled Thursday in Santa Ana as the first of its kind to be used commercially on the West Coast.”

I feel it would be a decent assumption that this 2000 demo hybrid is indeed a diesel hybrid, possibly this one for OCTA. I feel that this refutes tovinman's claim of a 2000 hydrogen bus.

So what is this hydrogen bus he speaks of?

The hydrogen bus that took part in the 2005 cold weather testing in Winnipeg is a HHICE... Hydrogen Hybrid Internal Combustion Engine (not a hydrogen fuel cell).

This bus was built in 2004 and involved New Flyer (body), ISE (electric drive), and a Ford V10 engine.

After testing in Winnipeg it went to SunLine. Being an experimental bus using hydrogen, naturally, there is quite a bit of data available on this bus if you know where to look.

ISE's website even notes: “Delivered first HHICE (Hydrogen Hybrid Internal Combustion Engine)” under 2004. http://www.isecorp.com/company/ise-timeline/

So, did this bus return to New Flyer and was converted to a diesel hybrid LFR?

Not according to SunLine.

This document: https://www.sunline.org/images/userimages/a...june/STA_13.pdf

On page 40 provides a fleet inventory and still lists a 2004 hydrogen fueled New Flyer.

Could it have been another hydrogen bus SunLine operated. Probably not.

SunLine has a milestone section on their website: http://www.sunline.org/milestones_alternative_fuels

The only other hydrogen New Flyer noted was the EXCELLISiS "ZEbus", a hydrogen bus originally built in 1994 by New Flyer and Ballard. This bus was actually operated by NASA in 1999 for a week at the Kennedy Space Centre, then went to SunLine in 2000/01 but was only used for testing. I am not sure where this bus is today.

I mean, honestly, what were the chances that New Flyer took a 2000 bus apparently built as a hydrogen bus, probably did more work in 2004/ 05 (not like it sat around for 5 years before testing and going to SunLine), got the bus back, converted it a diesel, and then converted it to a LFR all in an attempt to sell it?

On an aside, it seems New Flyer does little R&D with anything that isn't diesel and CNG. In most cases it seems Ballard or ISE are the ones playing around with the hydrogen, and drive train aspects of these buses. Indeed, production rosters note that the SunLine HHICE bus was built for ISE and documentation on this bus notes ISE did the “hybrid drive and integration” http://www.nrel.gov/hydrogen/pdfs/40107.pdf

Please, please quit posting false information on this board tovinman. Thanks.

BusRider

BusRider

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Went there today, there was the regular Zum Buses, some Kingston Transit D40LFR's, and a Red Deer D40LFR. There was also some DE40LFR's and a D40LF.

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BusRider

BusRider

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-9 Brandon Transit LFR's (With sliding Windows)

-London Transit 174

-A D60LF

-Brampton Zum 1053

-ETS 6003 and 6004

-Many OC Transpo D60LFR's

Pictures to come...

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captaintrolley

captaintrolley

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SERIOUSLY!?!?

Well, looks like someone finally found em!

So are they going to convert them to the same system 6001 and 6002 have or are they going to convert them to straight diesel ?

Or what (a Leonard-ism) ? <-- inside joke for Edmontonians.

general682002

general682002

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And here we thought that ETS snuck them out of town with the BBC's for Bulgaria, and used them as ballast or a reef :)

What a waste of 1.6 million, wonder if ETS has done anything to recover the costs of these lemons that failed to meet reliability standards?

I have a feeling they were sat in ETS property for so long, they finally send back to NFI sometimes months ago.

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tovinman

tovinman

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New Flyer built a hydrogen hybrid in 2000? Was this the same one that operated in Winnipeg for cold weather testing and then went to Sunline?

The very same bus.....you'd never know it now though, it's now a D40LFr and has front doors from a TransLink bus

They were just test buses.....all of them are going back eventually to NFI or Orion. It'd be nice if we got serial numbers of the Orions before

they go back though.....the two that are here are being converted back to diesels

NFI is now trying to sell off the 18 partial D60LF shells built for Chicago before their order was cancelled last summer, and of course they are

selling off 226 ex-Ottawa units. There is some talk of a South American buyer for both

SERIOUSLY!?!?

Well, looks like someone finally found em!

M. Parsons

M. Parsons

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The very same bus.....you'd never know it now though, it's now a D40LFr and has front doors from a TransLink bus

They were just test buses.....all of them are going back eventually to NFI or Orion. It'd be nice if we got serial numbers of the Orions before

they go back though.....the two that are here are being converted back to diesels

NFI is now trying to sell off the 18 partial D60LF shells built for Chicago before their order was cancelled last summer, and of course they are

selling off 226 ex-Ottawa units. There is some talk of a South American buyer for both

Sweet flying fuck Jim!

I've already refuted your bullshit claims that the hydrogen bus is now an LFR with doors from a Translink bus. The simple gist of it is a recent roster from SunLine shows the hydrogen LF still in the fleet.

And now you're bullshit continues to spread!

ETS outright purchased all of the hybrid buses. They were test buses, but certainly not in the sense that they were only being temporarily operated by ETS and being returned. That's not to say that ETS shouldn't have just had the buses temporarily, but, I digress.

Not only do we have the documents that went before council in regards to the purchase of the buses, but the reports even note that the buses were purchased, and the trolley was leased.

Orion's press release even stated the buses were purchased.

I don't know where you manage to come up with this nonsense but please stop posting it!

However, maybe a chance to redeem yourself. Tell us what is to become of ETS 6003 and 6004. What are the VINs? The impression you give us on the board is that you have access to internal workings at New Flyer and/ or Winnipeg Transit, so I'm sure you can dig up something for us.

And yes, we have the VINs.

Michael Marriott

Michael Marriott

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All the hybrid buses were purchased by ETS.

Hence, why they were all delivered in ETS paint scheme, rather than a generic livery.

Hence, why they have standard (for the time) ETS seat frames and fabric.

Hence, why ETS invested serious money and labour in repairing 6001 after it got hit by a pickup.

Hence, why ETS was able to give 6002 its extreme makeover/pimping out.

Hence, why 6003 and 6004 languished on ETS property for over a year, instead of being sent back immediately.

Hence, why 6005 and 6006 did not get battery conversion at the same time the TTC hybrids did.

Hence, why they have run in Edmonton for almost 4 years, without any support from the vendors.

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DE40LFR

DE40LFR

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Update for October 1st:

Very lame actually at Flyer today... we already know that the OC Transpo D60LFRs are comin in. 6003 and 6004 lemons still being... lemony! :D As well... not sure if I should be surprised or not, but quite a few new LFs being made. And a mysterious _60LFR... seen in the last photo beside OC Transpo D60LFR, with the extra roof extensions. You can kind of see what it looks like. I couldn't identify it! As well, BusRider, your D35LFRs are still being made as seen in the first and second photos and they look great! Note the sliding windows.

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BusRider

BusRider

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Those ETS Hybrids haven't even moved since I was last there! :blink:

Anyway, it looks like our 35/40LFR's are hiding in the NFI building for now. They sure aren't here... :D

DE40LFR

DE40LFR

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Those ETS Hybrids haven't even moved since I was last there! :blink:

Anyway, it looks like our 35/40LFR's are hiding in the NFI building for now. They sure aren't here... :D

Whoops... now that I look at the photos, you BARELY see them in the distance... I couldn't manage to get any shots with good coverage on those ones!

BusRider

BusRider

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Whoops... now that I look at the photos, you BARELY see them in the distance... I couldn't manage to get any shots with good coverage on those ones!

Looks like you didn't have to. The day after I say they aren't here... I get to see one.

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BusRider

BusRider

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Alright, it sounds like we have to get someone get some pics up there, otherwise it's a wait!

I'm heading up to Winnipeg with in the next few days. So pictures are on the way...

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