New Flyer Industries Discussion and Photos

[BusRider]

Here's some video of the HSR D40LF at the NFI Plant.

[general682002]

EPA's regs don't take effect until August. Provided that construction of the vehicle is "substantially complete" by July 31st, there is no need to meet the EPA2010 regulations.

Then there's the issue of Canada's regs versus the EPA in the US - I don't know if they take effect at the same time or not, although we are supposedly to be following the US regulations step-for-step.

Dan

I'm aware of the EPA timing, but now you've reminded me what's the month that takes the effect.

It's the same time.

[DE40LFR]

New Flyer Update for June 18:

Not much anything out of the ordinary... just the regular ZUM XDE40's and a few white D40LF's. I don't know what the Demo/Test artic unit is though in the first photo. In the third photo is the LFR/Excelsior demo/test unit that ran the streets of Winnipeg in the Winter months.( You can see it Here ). On my way back however, I passed by New Flyer's Development facility on DeBaets street in St. Boniface Industrial... and I caught a glimpse of what appeared to be a Demo White Viking with red and blue stripes. Anyone know about This one? An Invero demo was also parked in the area.

[CR SD40-2]

Behind that D60LF there is a rear half of a artic with new roof flaring did you see who's it can be?

[DE40LFR]

Behind that D60LF there is a rear half of a artic with new roof flaring did you see who's it can be?

Not sure whose might that be... I didn't even notice it! Lol

[BusRider]

None of Brandon's bus yet?

(Edit: What are those buses to the right of the Zum unit?)

[transit boy]

http://www.cptdb.ca/index.php?act=attach&a...st&id=24423

Is this the bus that ran in Strathcona County Transit

[M. Parsons]

On my way back however, I passed by New Flyer's Development facility on DeBaets street in St. Boniface Industrial... and I caught a glimpse of what appeared to be a Demo White Viking with red and blue stripes. Anyone know about This one?

I believe it's mentioned elsewhere on the board and I believe I posted a photo of it... or might not have. I believe the story behind it is the prototype and has been used for parts since.

[DE40LFR]

None of Brandon's bus yet?

(Edit: What are those buses to the right of the Zum unit?)

Nope. Didn't see any Brandon ones. I was hoping to see an Ottawa D60LFR, but I guess they aren't making it yet. I presume the buses right the Zum unit are more blank D40LF's as seen in the fourth pic.

Is this the bus that ran in Strathcona County Transit

Isn't that one still in service in Strathcona, which was the first demo for the D60LF? Correct me if I'm wrong... I think this is another Unit, as it has no mid-section door.

I believe it's mentioned elsewhere on the board and I believe I posted a photo of it... or might not have. I believe the story behind it is the prototype and has been used for parts since.

Ah Yes.... your right. After a little digging around, I found your post and a pic of the same bus I saw

http://www.cptdb.ca/index.php?s=&showt...st&p=126231

[transit boy]

Isn't that one still in service in Strathcona, which was the first demo for the D60LF? Correct me if I'm wrong... I think this is another Unit, as it has no mid-section door.

No it has been retired

[smallspy]

The D60LF photographed here was originally built with a middle door - you can still see the change in the drip strip above the third window on the front half.

Dan

[A. Wong]

Probably not the Strathcona unit... also the rear HVAC unit seems to be mounted backwards.

[M. Parsons]

950 had all sorts of cables/ hoses that ran over top of the artic joint which this bus lacks.

[BusRider]

Some Zum pictures off the NF website.

[DE40LFR]

Went down to Arnold Bros. today to find some buses New Flyer keeps on their property. Some are kept as storage for demos and test models, but I've seen a few ones for delivery. My guess is that New Flyer sends the finished products here, where Arnold Bros. hires a driver to deliver it to the US plant(s) or to the destined agency. But don't quote me on that. Anyways, here are a few pics a managed to snap. Sorry about the lame quality and obstructions in the pics. The stupid fence and stupid shrubs were in the way!! Plus, the buses were kept pretty far from where I can take a pic. But I have found the long lost D30LFR demo!

[BusRider]

What is that bus that has a front end like a D40i but roof line like a D40LF? A D40i demo?

(Edit: 1st and 2nd Photos)

[2044]

What is that bus that has a front end like a D40i but roof line like a D40LF? A D40i demo?

If you are refering to the last picture, that is the Den Oudsten X98 built in Europe. It's built of composite materials and was to feature a hybrid drivetrain. New Flyer took possession of the bus and I guess they are taking what concepts they can from the bus to apply to their products. The LFR styling looks like it was inspired by the front styling of the X98.

Thanks for taking and sharing those pictures, DE40LFR.

[A. Wong]

But I have found the long lost D30LFR demo!

Nice find!!

[M. Parsons]

Went down to Arnold Bros. today to find some buses New Flyer keeps on their property. Some are kept as storage for demos and test models, but I've seen a few ones for delivery. My guess is that New Flyer sends the finished products here, where Arnold Bros. hires a driver to deliver it to the US plant(s) or to the destined agency.

Arnold Bros. delivers the bodies to the US for final assembly. I guess they would do delivery as well if the bus purchaser wanted them to.

Arnold Bros. brought an ex Winnipeg 5301 out to Alberta.

So... on that note... as a kind of random thought... We caught Vancouver 2501 heading off to the US. Presumably, 2501 was trucked back to Winnipeg as that's where Kiepe has their facilities.

Were all trolleybuses trucked to the US for work, and then back? Or did later buses have all of their assembly done in Canada?

2501 might not have been heading there for power train or other trolley specific work either... Might have been other work like axels, the artic joint etc. With trolley specific work done back in Canada.

My pics of the ass end of 2501 were taken damn near the Arnold Bros. lot.

http://www.barp.ca/bus/bctransit/vancouver...yer/2006e60lfr/

[tovinman]

The main plant only builds shells....shells going to St. Cloud have plywood in place of the windows to keep the frames stiff during transport. Buses to be finished in Winnipeg are shipped across Kernaghan to the finishing plant in the warehouse to the south....what you see outside that building are finished or semi-finished units amost ready for delivery. Right now (July 17) there are 6 D40LFrs for Red Deer and 5 DE40LFs for London Transit Commission being finished.

There are units stored on flatdecks at the west end of the property. Some aren't on flatdecks, and these are generally hybrids which are towed by Dr. Hook to a secret location (located near Red River College) where the outside contractor installs all the electrical parts (motor, batteries, controller etc). The ones on flatdecks

are hybrids being stored until being shipped to Crookston where a "kit" of electrical parts is installed by the outside contractor.

why does it seem like they work on the buses a bit and then store them outside for a while and then bring them back in>>?? the xcelsiors have windows on 1 side but not the other...is this practice common in bus plants (jumping from 1 step to another)? isnt it better to just do it all at once like at car plants?

TransLink 2501 is bing shipped somewhere for use a a demo. All of the E40LFrs were built complete at Crookston and then shipped to Winnipeg for electrics installatin and testing. The first batch of E60LFrs were built complete in Crookston then to Winnipeg while the second batch of E60LFrs was built entirely in

Winnipeg. All of them have plant code "E" which indicates partial assembly by an outside contractor (the electrical gear).

Where is 2501 going? Can't say but it's NOT Philly and it's a city that does not have trolleys now, it will be pulling the generator trailer which was used to test

every trolley bus Flyer has ever built (including E800s and E901A/E902s)

Arnold Bros has a contract to ship shells built in Winnipeg to St. Cloud for final assemblky needed to meet Buy America content regs. They also do some final deliveries, as does CN and CP. You can have your buses trucked, trained, or have a driveaway firm drive them to you (or send your own drivers to Flyer and drive them back yourself) The drive them home yourself option isn't often used because sometimes bad things happen on the trip home. Like Kitchener Transit, who had a suicidal fellow jump of an overpass right into a new C40LF, smucking the bus.

Arnold Bros. delivers the bodies to the US for final assembly. I guess they would do delivery as well if the bus purchaser wanted them to.

Arnold Bros. brought an ex Winnipeg 5301 out to Alberta.

So... on that note... as a kind of random thought... We caught Vancouver 2501 heading off to the US. Presumably, 2501 was trucked back to Winnipeg as that's where Kiepe has their facilities.

Were all trolleybuses trucked to the US for work, and then back? Or did later buses have all of their assembly done in Canada?

2501 might not have been heading there for power train or other trolley specific work either... Might have been other work like axels, the artic joint etc. With trolley specific work done back in Canada.

My pics of the ass end of 2501 were taken damn near the Arnold Bros. lot.

http://www.barp.ca/bus/bctransit/vancouver...yer/2006e60lfr/

The XD60 is in frame stage and won't likely be finished until September. After that it goes to the TTC for evaluation before being shown at APTA Expo. The bus

will meet the TTC's stainless frame spec, and the TTC expects to order the XDE650, or Nova LFS Artic or LFX for 2012-2013 delivery.

The TTC has held off ordering new artics as New Flyer didn't have a stainless stell frame option on the D60LF and until Nova started building artics there were no buses that met the spec. Orion is not planning on building artics, though Daimler did bring a German artic to Canada where Ottawa tested it.

I've been looking in on NFI's websight lately, and I've noticed that NFI now has the 60 foot version of the Xcelsior listed on their website. I was also looking at some investors presentations, and according to those, NFI started design work on an XDE60 over a year ago. Now, for NFI to sell this, of course we all know it would have to go for Altoona testing, etc. So I was thinking that NFI may construct a prototype sometime in the near future, if they dont already have one. Anyone been up to the plant lately? Seen anything?

Thats' the original Viking demo parked behind the parts building on DeBaets. It's been there forever, nobody seems to want it. The articulated

unit you saw was a D6LF converted to D60LFr as a test. The hydrogn hybrid which was converted to hybrid also was converted back to diesel and

converted to D40LFr in the hope of selling it to someone...but apparently even Community Transit won't buy a ten year old bus.

New Flyer Update for June 18:

Not much anything out of the ordinary... just the regular ZUM XDE40's and a few white D40LF's. I don't know what the Demo/Test artic unit is though in the first photo. In the third photo is the LFR/Excelsior demo/test unit that ran the streets of Winnipeg in the Winter months.( You can see it Here ). On my way back however, I passed by New Flyer's Development facility on DeBaets street in St. Boniface Industrial... and I caught a glimpse of what appeared to be a Demo White Viking with red and blue stripes. Anyone know about This one? An Invero demo was also parked in the area.

[TheAverageJoe]

nice shots

[general682002]

Here's a question Tovinman, with the old LF ends are suppose to be done this year, I've been told it will not be done by the end of the year as some TA's will be deliver with 2010 Emission standards.

[M. Parsons]

The hydrogn hybrid which was converted to hybrid also was converted back to diesel and

converted to D40LFr in the hope of selling it to someone...but apparently even Community Transit won't buy a ten year old bus.

New Flyer built a hydrogen hybrid in 2000? Was this the same one that operated in Winnipeg for cold weather testing and then went to Sunline?

[tovinman]

New Flyer built a hydrogen hybrid in 2000? Was this the same one that operated in Winnipeg for cold weather testing and then went to Sunline?

Yes, then it came back and was converted to a Allison EP40 hybrid. Then it came back again and was converted to a DE40LFr. Oddly enough, the D40LFr

front doors they used are painted in TransLink colors. It's officially SR328.

[M. Parsons]

Yes, then it came back and was converted to a Allison EP40 hybrid. Then it came back again and was converted to a DE40LFr. Oddly enough, the D40LFr

front doors they used are painted in TransLink colors. It's officially SR328.

Was this bus a hydrogen hybrid with the Allison drive then?

Pretty impressive that they can make that many changes to a bus!