covidhippo123 Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 12 hours ago, Editorum said: I heard that all NG HEVs at Mt. Dennis Including the 14xx Are Moving to malvern Quite soon Damn....so back to where most of them started their careers. I knew that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 9 hours ago, covidhippo123 said: Damn....so back to where most of them started their careers. I knew that would happen. The entire New Flyer delivery of both the XDE40s & XDE60s are replacing what is currently allocated at Mt Dennis (with the exception of the Proterra fleet as far as I know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityflyer Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 12 hours ago, bus_7246 said: The entire New Flyer delivery of both the XDE40s & XDE60s are replacing what is currently allocated at Mt Dennis (with the exception of the Proterra fleet as far as I know) That will have a net loss of total buses for MtD unless you factor in 18 more artics to bridge that gap of the current 50 artics they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 12 minutes ago, Cityflyer said: That will have a net loss of total buses for MtD unless you factor in 18 more artics to bridge that gap of the current 50 artics they have. TTC can shuffle routes between garages to make up for any reduction in vehicle capacity. As well, a brand-new New Flyer fleet should theoretically need fewer maintenance spares than the worn-out current Orion hybrid fleet, so a reduction in vehicles should (at least for the first few years) not impact service delivery. Mount Dennis currently has 51 LFS Artics, and will be getting 68 XDE60s; how is this a "net loss" of artics? I don't understand your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityflyer Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 3 hours ago, Articulated said: TTC can shuffle routes between garages to make up for any reduction in vehicle capacity. As well, a brand-new New Flyer fleet should theoretically need fewer maintenance spares than the worn-out current Orion hybrid fleet, so a reduction in vehicles should (at least for the first few years) not impact service delivery. Mount Dennis currently has 51 LFS Artics, and will be getting 68 XDE60s; how is this a "net loss" of artics? I don't understand your statement. I briefly added all MtD buses. 129+40+51+25=245 buses After all NFI deliveries, the VII NG and LFSA movement to other garages and assuming the VII OGs will just retire and not move 134+68+25=227 buses They will end up with less buses than now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Cityflyer said: I briefly added all MtD buses. 129+40+51+25=245 buses After all NFI deliveries, the VII NG and LFSA movement to other garages and assuming the VII OGs will just retire and not move 134+68+25=227 buses They will end up with less buses than now Thank you for your clarification; however I'm still unclear on why you brought up artics in your original post, when your followup is more related to a deficit in 40 foot buses. A 40 foot bus is not equivalent to an articulated bus; artics take up 1.5 times the amount of garage space that standard 40 foot buses do. So applying a 1.5x factor to the articulated buses, Mount Dennis will go from 270.5 40'-equivalent capacity with Orions/LFSA/Proterra to 261 40'-equivalent with NFI/Proterra fleet. That keeps its bus capacity fairly similar to what is there today, and the small reduction in vehicles would be offset by the increased reliability of the newer New Flyer fleet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrt1000 Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 3 hours ago, Articulated said: Thank you for your clarification; however I'm still unclear on why you brought up artics in your original post, when your followup is more related to a deficit in 40 foot buses. A 40 foot bus is not equivalent to an articulated bus; artics take up 1.5 times the amount of garage space that standard 40 foot buses do. So applying a 1.5x factor to the articulated buses, Mount Dennis will go from 270.5 40'-equivalent capacity with Orions/LFSA/Proterra to 261 40'-equivalent with NFI/Proterra fleet. That keeps its bus capacity fairly similar to what is there today, and the small reduction in vehicles would be offset by the increased reliability of the newer New Flyer fleet. Not disagreeing with your point at all- the new New Flyer buses should be more reliable than the older hybrids. But from the transit systems I’ve been reading through on this board that have received New Flyer orders over the past year, they’ve definitely had some teething issues upon arrival leading to delays in them entering service (YRT, MiWay, LTC for example). COVID bus manufacturing, I guess. Hoping the TTC won’t have the same problems with theirs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editorum Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 Does this mean the LFSA at Mt Dennis Will be pushed to Arrow and be replaced by the XDE60s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC Guy Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 Let’s get the topic back to its purpose y’all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shemar Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 2 hours ago, Editorum said: Does this mean the LFSA at Mt Dennis Will be pushed to Arrow and be replaced by the XDE60s Actually Arrow is losing their artics to McNicoll when line 6 opens and the LFSAs at MtD are being sent to Malvern and McNicoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 47 minutes ago, Shemar said: Actually Arrow is losing their artics to McNicoll when line 6 opens and the LFSAs at MtD are being sent to Malvern and McNicoll Think it's premature to say what vehicle movements will occur when the LRT lines open. We don't even know how the routes will be divided between divisions yet. It's quite possible Arrow will hang onto their artics for use on other routes, including the 927 (that's been planned for artics for a couple years now). All I'm saying, is that anyone who comes in with a definitive answer for future allocations is usually blowing smoke out of their ass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 1254, 1258 & 1259 have migrated, and are now at Malvern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shemar Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 On 6/15/2023 at 10:42 PM, Articulated said: Think it's premature to say what vehicle movements will occur when the LRT lines open. We don't even know how the routes will be divided between divisions yet. It's quite possible Arrow will hang onto their artics for use on other routes, including the 927 (that's been planned for artics for a couple years now). All I'm saying, is that anyone who comes in with a definitive answer for future allocations is usually blowing smoke out of their ass. The 927 could be sent to Mount Dennis as well and use their artics, which is another possibility. But we'll see. Most of the stuff I post are possible scenarios. I should probably specify that in my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editorum Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, Shemar said: The 927 could be sent to Mount Dennis as well and use their artics, which is another possibility. But we'll see. Most of the stuff I post are possible scenarios. I should probably specify that in my posts. But when the 927 is in Mount Dennis it breaks down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 21 minutes ago, Editorum said: But when the 927 is in Mount Dennis it breaks down The fleet reliability when Mt Dennis had the 927 was lower than what the present hybrids out of Arrow Rd currently is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 21 minutes ago, Editorum said: But when the 927 is in Mount Dennis it breaks down The breaking down Orions will all be gone soon. Replaced by XDE60s on weekdays and XDE40s on weekends and most likely evenings trips (at division level) if they get the 927. The real question is how fuel efficient are these XDE60s on highways? Would they save more fuel if the used them elsewhere on stop and go routes and allocate the LFSAs for the 927? TTC probably has some idea base on all the Nova HEVs on the 927. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 I suspect with these Nova hybrids being delivered fast the rest of 8100-8219s will probably start moving to Queensway soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, Young said: I suspect with these Nova hybrids being delivered fast the rest of 8100-8219s will probably start moving to Queensway soon They have to enter service first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 Just now, Xtrazsteve said: They have to enter service first oh true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 7 minutes ago, Devante Bookal said: Well you guys are most likely wrong. All NG hybrids will be retired including the ones that are at Malvern, Mount Dennis & Arrow Road. The few remaining OG Hybrids will move to Malvern Division but it will be super temporary. source: My Boss, I am a high school student CO-OP at TTC The UREA technology which the 8300 HVAC is connected to was being evaluated and options were discussed, they might want to either move 8300-8396 to Queensway after 8100-8219 retires in a couple years or a more making sense option was 8100-8219 and 8300-8396 and the crews would be split so most likely either the newest or most senior would move to Mount Dennis/arrow road which would also probably result in some more routes changing visions as that’s phase 1 of preparation for Queensway ops to slow and eventually shut down but what do I know Here we go another troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovettc Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 13 minutes ago, Devante Bookal said: Well you guys are most likely wrong. All NG hybrids will be retired including the ones that are at Malvern, Mount Dennis & Arrow Road. The few remaining OG Hybrids will move to Malvern Division but it will be super temporary. source: My Boss, I am a high school student CO-OP at TTC The UREA technology which the 8300 HVAC is connected to was being evaluated and options were discussed, they might want to either move 8300-8396 to Queensway after 8100-8219 retires in a couple years or a more making sense option was 8100-8219 and 8300-8396 and the crews would be split so most likely either the newest or most senior would move to Mount Dennis/arrow road which would also probably result in some more routes changing visions as that’s phase 1 of preparation for Queensway ops to slow and eventually shut down but what do I know The OGS are not going anywhere except staying at Mount Dennis & Queensway Garage. Nice Try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 11 minutes ago, Young said: Here we go another troll Delete 19 minutes ago, Devante Bookal said: Well you guys are most likely wrong. All NG hybrids will be retired including the ones that are at Malvern, Mount Dennis & Arrow Road. The few remaining OG Hybrids will move to Malvern Division but it will be super temporary. source: My Boss, I am a high school student CO-OP at TTC The UREA technology which the 8300 HVAC is connected to was being evaluated and options were discussed, they might want to either move 8300-8396 to Queensway after 8100-8219 retires in a couple years or a more making sense option was 8100-8219 and 8300-8396 and the crews would be split so most likely either the newest or most senior would move to Mount Dennis/arrow road which would also probably result in some more routes changing visions as that’s phase 1 of preparation for Queensway ops to slow and eventually shut down but what do I know Because if they’re retiring the OG hybrids now why would they move them to Malvern that makes no sense they are staying at Mount Dennis until they are all retired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovettc Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 9 minutes ago, Devante Bookal said: OG Diesel is scrap...OG Hybrid is a movement to Malvern Garage for short period of time. Why? Reliability. I thought you knew that I don't think so If it's going to Malvern Garage it's not going to be for service, it's going to be for retirement if it's going to be at Malvern Garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 51 minutes ago, Devante Bookal said: Both actually. You make no sense but whatever makes you happy cause the OG hybrids are literally retiring from Mount Dennis division Malvern isn’t expecting any OG hybrids they are getting a few Nova LFSA’s and all of Mount Dennis’s NG hybrids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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