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Transport Collectif de la Jacques-Cartier

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A new player in public transit is now in service. Transport Collectif de la Jacques-Cartier is now offering transit from the cities of Sainte-Brigitte de Laval,Lac-Beauport,Stoneham,Sainte-Catherine de la Jacques-Cartier and Fossambault sur le lac. They have for now 5 routes

Route 1 - Fossambault sur le Lac <-> Sainte-Catherine de la Jacques-Cartier <-> Shannon <-> Valcartier Military Base <-> Val-Bélair (transfer : 77 RTC) <-> Sainte-Foy Centre

1 start in the moning from Fossambault sur le Lac, 1 start from Sainte-Foy Centre in the evening

NOTE: ROUTE 2 and 3 were already in service, opereted by modified school bus

Route 2 - Lac-Delage <-> Stoneham <-> Downtown Quebec (via Charlesbourg RTC terminal)

1 start in the morning from Lac-Delage, roundtrip during midday (should be add to route 3! I.M.O), 1 start from Sainte-Foy Centre in the evening

Route 3 - Lac-Delage <-> Stoneham <-> Sainte-Foy Centre (via Place-Fleur de Lys shopping center (RTC transfer avaliable)

1 start in the morning from Lac-Delage, 1 start from Sainte-Foy Centre in the evening

Route 4 - Sainte-Brigitte de Laval <-> Promenades Beauport <-> Place Fleur-de-Lys

1 start to Fleur-de-Lys in the morning, 1 start from Fleur de Lys in the evening

Route 5 - Sainte-Brigitte de Laval <-> Lac Beauport <-> Transfer point with route 2 and 3 (CCAP Cable office)

1 start to transfer point in the morning, 2 start from transfer point in the evening

MAP http://www.mrc.lajacquescartier.qc.ca/Docu...e1%20finale.pdf

Users must pay regular fare of the RTC when boarding a RTC bus.

Fares ...

Single ticket : 3.50 $ (for route 1 ... A BARGAIN !)

Monthly pass : 70.50$

Buses ... just plain cutaways, but new meat to photograph , Autobus M. Auger has the contract on those route

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos...veloppement.jpg

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Great! A bit disappointed about the frequency, but you've got to start somewhere, right?

So now that there are 4 TA's in Quebec, don't we now need a government agency to oversee everything? I mean, surely the 4 can't operate on their own, without a metropolitan agency looking over everything? <_<:D

Seriously though... We're probably quite a while away from integrated passes for the entire Quebec City region.

Alex

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2 little errors :

-TCJC is technically not a CIT, according to the law, because CITs can only be constituted in municipalities listed in the appendix I of the L.R.Q., chapitre C-60.1 (Loi sur les conseils intermunicipaux de transport dans la région de Montréal). TCJC is considered as a rural regional transport and relies on decree 154-2007 (Programme d'aide gouvernemental au transport collectif régional/±Regional community transit funding program), MRC La Jacques-Cartier being an entity listed in Article 3. Also, CITs are not allow to own vehicles AND to subcontract more than one provider, but MRCs under jurisdiction of D. 154-2007 are free of these restrictions.

-Monthly pass is 70$, not 70,50$

The website is http://www.tcjacquescartier.com/

I wonder whether Autobus JDL Fortin have sold their 2 buses previously used on routes 2 and 3 (one yellow with bike rack, the other painted white) to Transport Auger or they still operate for the TCJC. It's been quite a long time since i've been in the northeast extents of the city, i'll try to busfan the Sainte-Foy area next friday and look over for them. I've been looking through the County assembly statements for resolutions on contracts with the service provider(s), but contracting seems to have been delegated individually to the municipalities.

Otherwise, the 6 park-and-ride lots are really a good surprise, however 2 of them (CCAP and Val-Bélair) are located on the RTC territory, wich brings me this question : Is this a subtle way of competitionning the RTC service in the outskirts of the city, i.e. is TCJC boarding (illegaly) passengers at these points? (and by the way i'm still looking for that parc-o-bus at Pie-XI and Henri-IV)

EDIT : corrected some writing errors, excuse my bad english :D

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With verification, taxi-bus service between Lac-Delage and Stoneham-et-Tewkesbury Municipal Complex is provided by Transport Intégration Portneuf, wich also provides unscheduled rural service for the CTRP (corpration de transport régional de Portneuf), running with paratransit minibuses.

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2 little errors :

-TCJC is technically not a CIT

True, although I think eclair14 was saying it's a CIT because of the suburban transit nature of the operation.

CITs are not allow to own vehicles AND to subcontract more than one provider

Please take a look at CIT Laurentides which contracts their bus service to Transdev Limocar, Autobus Transcobec and Autobus Paquette

Also in the past CIT Sud Ouest had contracts with two different companies (IIRC: Auger and Corporation Nationale d'Autobus)

Alex

CIT Specialist :D

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Please take a look at CIT Laurentides which contracts their bus service to Transdev Limocar, Autobus Transcobec and Autobus Paquette

Also in the past CIT Sud Ouest had contracts with two different companies (IIRC: Auger and Corporation Nationale d'Autobus)

Indeed.

I probably misread the law.

Ce service ne peut être effectué que par un transporteur lié par contrat avec le conseil.

I'll try to find something about this... tomorrow. :D

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Who's the operator of TCJC, if there is one? Also did the bus routes or service between the communities of Jacques-Cartier and Quebec City exist prior to the formation of TCJC?

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Who's the operator of TCJC, if there is one? Also did the bus routes or service between the communities of Jacques-Cartier and Quebec City exist prior to the formation of TCJC?

There is at least two. Autobus Auger is for sure one of them. Stoneham were there before merging TCJC and was operating modified 48 seats school bus, operator was Autobus J.D.L Fortin.

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Beginning on March 1st 2010, TCJC route 5 will serve wider parts of Lac-Beauport. Upon request, users will be able to board on Chemin du Brûlé, Chemin du Boisé and Chemin des Mélèzes.

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Laissez-passer métropolitain will be accepted on TCJC routes from june 1st, available for sale from may 20th. Laissez-passer métropolitain allows easy transit on all the Communauté métropolitaine de Québec. It is accepted by TCJC, RTC, STL and Québec-Lévis ferry (STQ) transit authorities.

Its closest Montréal counterpart is the TRAM 3, except that Québec suburbs fought for its implementation. :D

Let's compare the fares :

CMQ Laissez-passer métropolitain

Reg.: 111,25$

Student: 89,70$

Elderly: 70,65$

AMT TRAM zone 3 (2011)

Reg.: 113,00 $

Student: 90,50 $

Reduced: 68,00$

AMT TRAM zone 3 (2010)

Reg.: 111,00$

Student: 89,00$

Reduced: 66,50$

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And now, let's compare distances!

Fossambault-sur-le-Lac is about 43 km from Grand-Theatre.

By comparison, 43 km from TCV is either Zone 5 or Zone 6

5 142,00 $ 114,00 $ 85,00 $

6 171,00 $ 137,00 $ 102,50 $

JC 111,25 $ 89,70 $ 70.65 $

Sounds like a steal.

Alex

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And now, let's compare distances!

Fossambault-sur-le-Lac is about 43 km from Grand-Theatre.

By comparison, 43 km from TCV is either Zone 5 or Zone 6

5 142,00 $ 114,00 $ 85,00 $

6 171,00 $ 137,00 $ 102,50 $

JC 111,25 $ 89,70 $ 70.65 $

Sounds like a steal.

Alex

Sure! It's a steal from TCJC and every other transit company in Québec city! There are no facilities at all on the CMQ network, no heated shelters, no real park-n-rides (unpaved shared lots they are), few benches at the stops, unflagged and improvised stops, no real-time system info, no automatic phone schedules, few reserved lanes, no trains, no coaches and no global vision. Need I say more?

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LOL! They can also have that André Arthur character as a full-time driver too now.

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This went silent, but worth mentionning :

TCJC now serves RTC Terminus Les Saules, offering a transfer to the 15 RTC routes serving the western part of the city. Route 1 «Le Métropolitain» follows the late routing towards Québec (via R-369, Valcartier Base and A-573) and ends at Les Saules.

Two more vehicles (routes 1A and 1B «express») travel via R-367 to serve directly Colline Parlementaire and Boulevard Laurier, both via Université Laval.

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What kind of vehicles does TCJC operate?

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Stuff we don't care about...cut-a-ways..

AFIAK, TCJC dosen't have cutaway, neither transit bus or coach, the use "upgraded" blue bird or thomas school bus

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Even worse! Beurk!

I can't imagine people with above average income living in exurbia that willingly choose to ride such junkers to the city core. I hope that this company can evolve and purchase real transit vehicles... lest us forget that even the humble old CTRSM had junkers school buses in their fleet when they started

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TCJC is to go through a renumbering of its network in the next month. That renumbering is to look like RTC's scheme, as each "axis" or large area is given its own decade :

  • Western Jacques-Cartier (Sainte-Catherine, Fossambault, Shannon and Valcartier CFB) receives 10-19, with actual routes 1A, 1B and 1 Métropolitain renumbered 11, 12 and 13;
  • Northern Jacques-Cartier (Stoneham and Lac-Delage) receives 20-29, with actual routes 2, 3 and 2/3 Métropolitain renumbered 21, 22 and 23;
  • Eastern Jacques-Cartier (Sainte-Brigitte-de-Laval) receives 40-49, with actual routes 4 and 4 Métropolitain renumbered 41 and 42;
  • Centralish Jacques-Cartier (Lac-Beauport and Valcartier Village) receives 50-69, with actual route 5 renumbered 51 and two new routes (Valcartier/Loretteville/Zoo and Lac-Beauport/Québec express) being numbered 52 and 60.

Most of the routes will have their schedule scrambled out. Route 13 service will be cut back to Val-Bélair (no more expressway service).

The network looks like this until the change take place in February.

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So that makes a total of 11 routes, while the operator counted 2 back in 2010. There has been no rise of fares since then.

Subcontractors will henceforth operate on every route wifi-equipped 44-seaters (TCJC did not reveal the model, but will possibly be served by an enlarged fleet of C2s or Inters) instead of minibuses on the lesser-ridership routes.

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Subcontractors will henceforth operate on every route wifi-equipped 44-seaters (TCJC did not reveal the model, but will possibly be served by an enlarged fleet of C2s or Inters) instead of minibuses on the lesser-ridership routes.

Autobus Auger is now operating all routes (using some DesChutes buses before the arrival of the new ones) ... no more JDL Fortin for the Stoneham routes

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Okay, so no more Internationals!

I know Des Chutes had 4 or 5 of those good-looking, comfy HDX coaches, with premium seating and large tinted windows. Do you think it is possible that Auger bought that model or did they stick with that C2 schoolbus?

EDIT : I just realized that it's the TL960 I rode back in '06, but I expect the HDX to be akin.

EDIT 2 : JDL Fortin had bike racks, does Auger still offer Vélobus service?

CRT Lanaudière (operator : Groupe Orléans and Groupe Gaudreault, the unmerged part) north of Montréal had those C2 for a while, but as the ridership went down by 31% in a single year, Prévost were reinstated on most of the routes. Commuters hate being laughed at.

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Okay, so no more Internationals!

I know Des Chutes had 4 or 5 of those good-looking, comfy HDX coaches, with premium seating and large tinted windows. Do you think it is possible that Auger bought that model or did they stick with that C2 schoolbus?

EDIT : I just realized that it's the TL960 I rode back in '06, but I expect the HDX to be akin.

EDIT 2 : JDL Fortin had bike racks, does Auger still offer Vélobus service?

CRT Lanaudière (operator : Groupe Orléans and Groupe Gaudreault, the unmerged part) north of Montréal had those C2 for a while, but as the ridership went down by 31% in a single year, Prévost were reinstated on most of the routes. Commuters hate being laughed at.

TCJC will still offer Bike Racks on all routes

And ... after a second tough ... TCJC annouces that their bus will fit 44 seated people ... the announced capacities of Nova LFS on Autobus Auger Website ... so LFS for TCJC ?

http://www.autobusmauger.com/autocar-de-ville-novabus.html

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For anyone who'd care : those new buses will be Deluxe Blue Birds TX-3, which is somewhat an improvment versus the C2s & Girardin GM cutaways.

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TCJC will reoffer Shannon routes, this time between Shannon and Loretteville rather than Les Saules. It's a lesser of 2 evils.

Also, I missed that, but Lac-Beauport is served by hourly departures, all week and weekend long, with service to outdoor sports venues (mont Tourbillon, sentiers du Moulin, Le Relais, club nautique).

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