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Does anyone remember what the exact serial/VIN numbers are for Grey Goose Bus Lines' 1983 Orion I suburban buses numbered 101 to 197 (later Gray Line East 4101 to 4197)? Only three are known: D5493730 (number 125/4125) D6702732 (number 160/4160) D5498741 (number 165/4165) Number 160/4160 is also one of a handful of Canadian-bound Orion I's to be built in New York instead of Ontario. From 1982 to 1984, it should be known that Orion I serial numbers had the first three of the six digits in the serial number following the model year code (C=1982, D=1983, E=1984) represent the production line sequence. It began when they built Markham Transit 2016, serial number C5356457, which left the Mississauga plant as the 356th unit finished in May 1982, and ended with Whitehorse Transit 14, a model 01.506 bearing serial number E5563999, which left Mississauga as the 563rd unit finished in July 1984. For serial no. D5493730 it was the 493rd bus to leave the Mississauga plant whereas for serial no. D6702732 it was the 102nd bus to leave the Oriskany plant between (for some odd reason the first number in the plant sequence code jumped from 0 to 6 in early 1983). ~Ben

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/TORONTO/builders/orion1.html I'm hoping we can create a database of complete serial numbers for the 1982-84 Orion I deliveries. These serial numbers have the line sequence number representing characters 12-14 in the VIN number, which started at serial no. 457 (C5356457 goes to Markham Transit #2016, delivered 5/1982) and ended at serial no. 999 (E5563999 goes to Whitehorse Transit #14, delivered 7/1984). The first U.S.-built Orion I carried the serial number C6001449 (goes to Pacific Transit System #D10, delivered 7/1982). However, the 1982 Orion Is delivered to Toronto Transit Commission (8730-8739) may not have had the line sequencing in their serial numbers. You can see, when you read the info in the link above, that it gets rather messy when you read the serial numbers for the Grey Goose Bus Lines deliveries... even the line sequencing in these serial numbers is out of order in places. Confirmed serial numbers are listed for units 125 (D5493730) and 160 (D6702732, possibly one of the few U.S.-built Orion Is to go to Canada) among these deliveries, both delivered to said agency in September/October 1983. For example, let's figure out if these University of Virginia bus serial numbers are correct: 5139 - D6659661 5239 - D6669674 5337 - D6670675 ~Ben

Apparently Clallam Transit got some new Hybrid mini buses according to this article and I wonder if #629 is one of them in the attached image....: http://www.clallamtransit.com/news.html . I would guess 629 is one of them as there are photos of #624 in the above link. Also, during my recently visit to Port Angeles last month, I found some Gillig Low Floors numbered 611 up to 615 which are not listed on the Wiki. I visited Port Angeles back in September of 2012 as well and did not see any Gilligs numbered higher than #608 which is also the highest listed on the Wiki page. So if anyone has any more information, it would be greatly appreciated. http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Clallam_Transit

Could anyone please check these below to see if indeed they are the correct VINs for the first 50 Orion I's delivered to Indy-Go, then the Indianapolis Public Transportation Commission? 8301: 2B1129775C5440572 8302: 2B1129771D6606600 8303: 2B1129776D6607601 8304: 2B1129772D6608602 8305: 2B1129779D6609603 8306: 2B1129775D6610604 8307: 2B1129771D6611605 8308: 2B1129778D6612606 8309: 2B1129774D6613607 8310: 2B1129770D6614608 8311: 2B1129777D6615609 8312: 2B1129778D6616610 8313: 2B1129774D6617611 8314: 2B1129770D6618612 8315: 2B1129777D6619613 8316: 2B1129773D6620614 8317: 2B112977XD6621615 8318: 2B1129776D6622616 8319: 2B1129772D6623617 8320: 2B1129779D6624618 8321: 2B1129775D6625619 8322: 2B1129776D6626620 8323: 2B1129772D6627621 8324: 2B1129779D6628622 8325: 2B1129775D6629623 8326: 2B1129771D6630624 8327: 2B112977XD6631626 8328: 2B1129776D6632627 8329: 2B1129772D6633628 8330: 2B1129775D6634630 8331: 2B1129771D6635631 8332: 2B1129778D6636632 8333: 2B1129774D6637633 8334: 2B1129772D6638635 8335: 2B1129779D6639636 8336: 2B1129775D6640637 8337: 2B1129773D6641639 8338: 2B1129774D6642640 8339: 2B1129770D6643641 8340: 2B1129777D6644642 8341: 2B1129775D6645644 8342: 2B1129771D6646645 8343: 2B1129778D6647646 8344: 2B1129776D6648648 8345; 2B1129772D6649649 8346: 2B1129773D6650650 8347: 2B112977XD6651651 8348: 2B1129778D6652653 8349: 2B1129774D6653654 8350: 2B1129770D6654655 Thank you, Ben

I have a question: were there any U.S. transit agencies who ran their Orion I's, V's and/or New Flyers with the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and Voith transmission? This was the powertrain of choice in Canada for the following: YORK REGION TRANSIT (MARKHAM TRANSIT) (MARKHAM, ON) 2033-2036 - 1988 Orion I 01.508 2044-2047 - 1989 MCI Classic TC40-102N 2048-2052 - 1990 MCI Classic TC40-102A 2053-2054 - 1991 Orion V 05.501 YORK REGION TRANSIT (RICHMOND HILL TRANSIT) (RICHMOND HILL, ON) 511-524 - 1989 New Flyer D40 (T-drive) (renumbered 8911-8924 by YRT) YORK REGION TRANSIT (EX-GO TRANSIT) 1130-1132 - 1987 Orion I 01.508 (renumbered 8710-8712 by YRT) BRAMPTON TRANSIT (BRAMPTON, ON) 8894-8899 - 1988 Orion I 01.508 8901-8909 - 1989 Orion I 01.508 9014-9028 - 1990 Orion I 01.508 9129-9137 - 1991 Orion V 05.501 9176-9180 - 1991 New Flyer S40HF (ex-GO Transit) CALGARY TRANSIT (CALGARY, AB) 7001-7010 - 1992 New Flyer D40HF (V-drive) MISSISSAUGA TRANSIT (MISSISSAUGA, ON) 9020 - 1990 Orion V 05.501 OAKVILLE TRANSIT (OAKVILLE, ON) 901-907 - 1990 Orion V 05.501 928-929 - 1992 Orion V 05.501 DURHAM REGION TRANSIT (OSHAWA TRANSIT) 8121-8123 - 1987 Orion I 01.508 (Oshawa 121-123) 8124-8128 - 1989 MCI Classic TC40-102N (Oshawa 124-128) 8129-8132 - 1990 Orion V 05.501 (Oshawa 129-132) 8133-8136 - 1991 Orion V 05.501 (Oshawa 133-136) 8137-8141 - 1992 Orion V 05.501 (Oshawa 137-141) 8142-8145 - 1994 Orion V 05.501 (Oshawa 142-145) DURHAM REGION TRANSIT (WHITBY TRANSIT) 8311-8315 - 1990 Orion V 05.501 (Whitby 9011-9015) 8316 - 1991 Orion V 05.501 (Whitby 9116) 8317 - 1992 MCI Classic TC40-102A (Whitby 9217) 8318 - 1994 Orion V 05.501 (Whitby 9418) 8319 - 1988 MCI Classic TC40-102A (Whitby 8819, originally to Queens Surface Transportation, NY 943) But here (in the U.S.), this same powertrain could be found on the following buses: BEE-LINE (WESTCHESTER COUNTY, NY) 760-874 - 1990 Flxible Metro "B" 40102-6T MIAMI-DADE COUNTY TRANSIT AUTHORITY (MIAMI, FL) 9067-9073 - 1990 Flxible Metro "B" 40102-6T GREATER PORTLAND TRANSIT DISTRICT (PORTLAND, ME) 9005-9021 - 1990 Flxible Metro "B" 35102-6T FRESNO AREA EXPRESS (FAX) (FRESNO, CA) 9001-9023 - 1990 Flxible Metro "B" 40102-6T 9101-9112 - 1991 Gillig Phantom 40/102TB/6V92TAC ALAMEDA-CONTRA COSTA (AC) TRANSIT (OAKLAND, CA) 1469-1483 - 1984 Gillig Phantom 40TB/96/6V92 2601-2652 - 1990 Gillig Phantom 40/102TB/6V92TAC 2701-2731 - 1991 Gillig Phantom 30/102TB/6V92TAC 2732-2761 - 1992 Gillig Phantom 30/102TB/6V92TAC 2801-2860 - 1993 Gillig Phantom 40/102TB/6V92TAC SACRAMENTO REGIONAL TRANSIT DISTRICT (SACRAMENTO, CA) 9001-9045 - 1990 Gillig Phantom 40/102TB/6V92TAC QUEENS SURFACE TRANSPORTATION (QUEENS, NY) 943 - 1988 MCI Classic TC40-102A (to Whitby Transit 2005, renumbered there as 8819) LEHIGH AND NORTHAMPTON TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY (LANTA) (LEHIGH, PA) 8721-8730 - 1987 Orion I 01.502 (30 ft) 8931-8935 - 1989 Orion I 01.502 (30 ft) 8936-8950 - 1989 Orion I 01.507 (35 ft) BROOME COUNTY TRANSIT (BINGHAMTON, NY) 601-617 - 1987 Orion I 01.508 (40 ft) Getting back to my original question, does anyone here know whether or not there were any U.S. transit companies (other than LANTA in PA) that had at one time ran any of Orion I's, Orion V's and/or New Flyer D40HF's or D40LF's with the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA/Voith (D863 or D864) powertrain? I know BC (British Columbia) Transit in Vancouver (BC) ran many 1991-93 New Flyer D40LF's (1st generation) which used the 6V92TA/Voith as the powertrain... but did any U.S. agencies order the same for their D40LF's? Thank you, Ben

Could you please verify all five of these VIN numbers for these Orion I's that were operated by Clallam Transit (Port Angeles, WA)? 581 (1984 Orion I 01.504): 2B1129277E6894990 (if 6V71N engine) or 2B1129776E6894990 (if 6V92TA engine) 582 (1984 Orion I 01.504): 2B1129273E6895991 (if 6V71N engine) or 2B1129772E6895991 (if 6V92TA engine) 583 (1990 Orion I 01.507): 2B1139779L6002595 584 (1992 Orion I 01.508): 2B1169777N6003125 585 (1992 Orion I 01.508): 2B1169779N6003126 Thank you, Ben

http://www.durhamregiontransit.com/AboutDRT/Documents/TSH%20Business%20Case%20Analysis%20Oct%2027%202004_PartTwo.pdf Some of these may already have been added to the Orion I VIN page here, but here's a few you might have forgotten: Ajax-Pickering Transit Authority: 2044 (1982 Orion I 01.504; ex-Timmins Transit no. 54): 2B1129279C5416539 (document incorrectly says 2B1129277C5416539) ~Ben

Is it true that the 1982 and '83 Orion I's--the U.S. versions finished in New York--used the Allison HT747 transmission (rather than the original HT740) behind their DD 6V92TA engines? I'm talking about those buses as run by such agencies as: Pacific Transit System (Raymond, WA) Milford Transit District (Milford, CT) Montachusett Regional Transit Authority (Fitchburg, MA) Yakima Transit (Yakima, WA) SLO (San Luis Obispo) Transit (San Luis Obispo, CA) San Luis Obispo Regional Transit Authority (SLORTA) (San Luis Obispo, CA) GATRA (Taunton, MA) IndyGo (Indianapolis, IN) Waukesha Metro Transit (Waukesha, WI) The 1982 GATRA Orion I's are unique in that they were the only such 35-foot units finished in NY to carry the old model 01.504, since most of these got out with the model 01.506, which continued into part of 1984 (the year both the 01.504 and 01.506 were replaced by the 01.507). Did these three buses, numbered 8217 to 8219, use the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and Allison HT747 transmission? ~Ben

Does anyone here remember LANTA's (Lehigh and Northampton Transportation Authority) 1987 and '89 Orion I's? The 30-foot models were numbered 8721-8730 and 8931-8935 and the 35-foot models were numbered 8936-8950. http://www.philadelphiatransitvehicles.info/LANTA.php According to the above link, they came with Detroit Diesel 6V71N engines and Voith D851 transmissions, but I'd like to think they all instead had Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engines and Voith D863 transmissions (especially the 1989 models), same as those Orion I's in Canada, such as in Pickering, ON (922-923, 924-925 and 926); Markham, ON (2033-2036); Oshawa, ON (121-123); and Brampton, ON (8894-8899, 8901-8909 and 9014-9028). ~Ben

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/TORONTO/builders/orion1.html Is there any proof as to why the same order number of 177 was used for both Clallam Transit's and Jefferson Transit's orders of the 1984 Orion I? Both orders are for 35 foot long buses (Clallam's being of the older design while Jefferson's was of the then-current design). Could this mean consequently that both sets of two buses (581-582 for Clallam and 848-849 for Jefferson) came with Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engines and Allison HT747 transmissions? ~Ben

Does anyone remember the 1981 Orion I 01.504 demonstrator bus that was purchased June 17, 1983 by the Quality Inn (or "The High Q") of Orlando, FL? Because it was built in 1981 it would have had a Detroit Diesel 6V53N engine, but once it set foot here in FL it had to be changed to the 6V53T engine. Or, with modifications to the rear compartment, it could have had the 6V92TA engine. ~Ben

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/TORONTO/builders/orion.html If you gloss over this page (link above), Orion built three types of seating configurations for its two bus lengths (30' and 35'): transit, coach (suburban) and airporter, for a total of six configurations (this would increase to nine in 1984, when the 40' length showed up). The transit and airporter configurations had both front and back doors, but most examples of the coach configuration did not. A few exceptions to the rule did exist: transit-style buses without back doors were built for Beaver Bus Lines of Winnipeg, MB in 1985, 1988 and 1990, and for Transport of Rockland County of Pomona, NY in 1988; while CDTA of Albany, NY purchased some coach-style buses with back doors. The airport versions of the model 01.506 (which replaced the 01.504 in 1982) were built for Shortway Lines (Philadelphia International Airport) and Leaseco (San Francisco International Airport). Both orders used the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and Allison HT747 transmission. Is it true Orion did not assign a specific model number to the airport seating configurations (unlike the transit and coach configurations)? Transit bus models: 01.501 = 30 foot, no air conditioning 01.502 = 30 foot, air conditioning (originally designated USA specs when first brought over here in 1978, a year before the near-identical TMC CityCruiser showed up) 01.504 = 35 foot 01.507 = 35 foot (replaced 01.504 in 1984) 01.508 = 40 foot Suburban bus models (all front-facing seats and no back door): 01.503 = 30 foot 01.505 = 35 foot 01.510 = 35 foot (replaced 01.505) 01.509 = 40 foot Airport bus models: 01.506 = 35 foot ~Ben

Does anyone know exactly all of the Rockwell front and rear axles that were used in the Orion I bus in all years 1976-1993? This is information I'm hoping to get added to this page in the future: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_%27Orion_I%27 Older Orion I brochures (and my 1981 TMC City Cruiser brochure) list the following: Front: model FF931, 12,000 lbs. GAWR Rear: model R143, 23,000 lbs. GAWR From the 1983 Orion brochure that I have: Front: model FF932, 13,400 lbs. GAWR Rear: model R143, 23,000 lbs. GAWR But in 1984, the 35' and 40' buses (the latter of which was introduced that year) went for higher-rated axles. Front: model FG943 or 17100, 14,600 lbs. GAWR Rear: model 59742, 25,000 lbs. GAWR The 30-foot models also had a newer front axle that year in model FF942 (13,200 lbs. GAWR) but retained the R143 rear axle. In 1988, Rockwell introduced these new rear axles: 30 foot buses: model RC-23-160, 23,000 lbs. GAWR (replaced R143) Buses longer than 30 feet: model 61142, 26,000 lbs. GAWR (replaced 59742) To round things up: 1976-1979 models: FF931 front / Q148 rear (34,000 lbs. GVWR) 1980-1982 models: FF931 front / R143 rear (35,000 lbs. GVWR) 1982-1983 models: FF932 front / R143 rear (36,400 lbs. GVWR) 1984-1987 models: 30 foot: FF942 front / R143 rear (36,200 lbs. GVWR) 35 and 40 foot: FG943 or 17100 front / 59742 rear (39,600 lbs. GVWR) 1988-1993 models: 30 foot: FF942 front / RC-23-160 rear (36,200 lbs. GVWR) 35 and 40 foot: 17100 front / 61142 rear (40,600 lbs. GVWR) Some questions I want to ask you all: 1. Did Orion ever catalog the Rockwell FG943 front axle (14,600 lbs. GAWR) for their 1984 I's (models 01.507 to 01.510)? 2. Did Orion ever catalog the Rockwell Q148 rear axle (22,000 lbs. GAWR) for their pre-1981 I's? Thank you very much! ~Ben

Is it true that the CyRide 1983 Orion I 01.506 numbered 1408 (later 908) had the Detroit Diesel 6V71TA engine and Allison HT740 transmission? According to the engine code in its VIN number (1) that you have here, it did. All other Orion I's in the CyRide fleet had the naturally-aspirated 6V71N (rather than the 6V92TA), even through as late as 1988. 1=Detroit Diesel 6V71TA 2=Detroit Diesel 6V71N 7=Detroit Diesel 6V92TA ~Ben

Were there any Orion I's produced from 1982 to 1986 (when specified with the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and the Allison MT644, HT740 or HT747 transmission) that sounded closer to a Gillig Phantom built in those same years mentioned? They can be of any length (30' for 01.502 or 01.503, 35' for 01.506 or 01.507, and 40' for 01.508 or 01.509). ~Ben

http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Kingston_Transit_8382 When I entered that VIN for this 1983 Orion I, as typed (2B1129573D5509770), the VIN Decoder website says the check digit is incorrect. Therefore, I must now submit to you whether or not which of these two VINs is actually the correct one. Is it either 2B1129273D5509770, or 2B1129579D5509770? As the 6V53 was not used in the Orion I after 1982 save for the last OC Transpo 30-foot models (8371 to 8392), then I can only guess at whether or not Kingston's 8382 had the 6V53 (according to the typed VIN there) or if it had the 6V71N like many '83 Orions did. The engine code, which is the 7th digit in the VIN, would mean: 2 = Detroit Diesel 6V71N 5 = Detroit Diesel 6V53N (C40 injectors) ~Ben

This question is for the experts of the GATRA bus fleet: is it true that the 1982 and 1983 Orion I's they ran (8217-8219 from 1982, 8320-8322 from 1983) came with Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engines? If yes, then the transmission behind them would be the Allison HT740 (8217-8219) or the HT747 (8320-8322). ~Ben

I am wondering if Nolan (Stalwart23) or anyone else might be able to clue me in about the GATRA Orion I VIN numbers? They are listed below for you to see. 8217 01.504 2B1129774C6000532 8218 01.504 2B1129776C6000533 8219 01.504 2B112977XC6000535 8320 01.506 2B1129771D6000750 8321 01.506 2B1129775D6000752 8322 01.506 2B1129779D6000754 8923 01.502 2B1119772K6002264 8924 01.502 2B1119774K6002265 8925 01.502 2B1119776K6002266 8926 01.502 2B1119778K6002267 9127 01.507 2B1139770M6002910 9128 01.507 2B1139772M6002911 9129 01.507 2B1139774M6002912 9130 01.507 2B1139770M6002955 9131 01.507 2B1139772M6002956 Thank you, Ben (ClassicBusFan81)

Here's some Orion I VIN numbers from this link: http://notes.brandon.ca/tenders.nsf/0965fee38275b21186256ab0006ab633/2a3410cb38be0308862575080075ff51/$FILE/For%20Sale%20by%20Tender%20-%20Transit%20Buses.pdf #34 - 2B1129274C5414536 Model: 01.504 (35 foot) Year: 1982 Delivered: 11/1982 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V71N Transmission: Allison MT644 #35 - 2B1169K74K5001955 Model: 01.508 (40 foot) Year: 1989 Delivered: 7/1989 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA Transmission: Allison HTB748 Other: Initially delivered to Toronto Transit Commission as #9360 with Cummins L10G CNG engine and ZF ECOMAT 4HP500 transmission; initially resold to GO Transit as #1713 with original ZF transmission replaced by Allison HTB748 transmission (and also sent to Calgary Transit where it was demonstrated as #8510); when re-resold to Brandon Transit in 1998 as #35, the L10G engine was replaced by the 6V92TA engine. #39 - 2B1169275H5001665 Model: 01.508 (40 foot) Year: 1987 Delivered: 8/1987 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V71N Transmission: Allison HT747 #41 - 2B1139775K5002257 Model: 01.507 (36 foot) Year: 1989 Delivered: 9/1989 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA Transmission: Allison HTB748 #43 - 2B1139777M5002957 Model: 01.507 (36 foot) Year: 1991 Delivered: 11/1991 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA Transmission: Allison HTB748 ~Ben

http://cptdb.ca/wiki...ber_Explanation I have more engine code letters deserving to be seen on the page in the link above: N = Navistar T444E (7.3L) R = Cummins C8.3 S = Cummins L10-280E T = Cummins B5.9 U = Cummins M11-280E W = Cummins B5.9G Thank you, Ben

Please let me know if these VINs are correct for all of these Mississauga Transit Orion V's. 1989 (units 8901-8925) 8901: 2B1569E76K5030001 8902: 2B1569E78K5030002 8903: 2B1569E7XK5030003 8904: 2B1569E71K5030004 8905: 2B1569E73K5030005 8906: 2B1569E75K5030006 8907: 2B1569E79K5030008 8908: 2B1569E70K5030009 8909: 2B1569E77K5030010 8910: 2B1569E79K5030011 8911: 2B1569E70K5030012 8912: 2B1569E72K5030013 8913: 2B1569E74K5030014 8914: 2B1569E76K5030015 8915: 2B1569E78K5030016 8916: 2B1569E7XK5030017 8917: 2B1569E71K5030018 8918: 2B1569E73K5030019 8919: 2B1569E7XK5030020 8920: 2B1569E71K5030021 8921: 2B1569E73K5030022 8922: 2B1569E75K5030023 8923: 2B1569E77K5030024 8924: 2B1569E79K5030025 8925: 2B1569E70K5030026 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki..._V_%27K_VINs%27 1990 (units 9001-9020) 9001: 2B1569E71L5030070 9002: 2B1569E73L5030071 9003: 2B1569E75L5030072 9004: 2B1569E77L5030073 9005: 2B1569E79L5030074 9006: 2B1569E70L5030075 9007: 2B1569E72L5030076 9008: 2B1569E74L5030077 9009: 2B1569E76L5030078 9010: 2B1569E78L5030079 9011: 2B1569E74L5030080 9012: 2B1569E76L5030081 9013: 2B1569E78L5030082 9014: 2B1569E7XL5030083 9015: 2B1569E71L5030084 9016: 2B1569E73L5030085 9017: 2B1569E75L5030086 9018: 2B1569E77L5030087 9019: 2B1569E79L5030088 9020: 2B1569774L5030089 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki..._V_%27L_VINs%27 Note: 9020 uses the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine but with the same Voith D863 transmission as 9001-9019. 1991 (units 9101-9140) 9101: 2B1569E70L5030190 9102: 2B1569E72L5030191 9103: 2B1569E74L5030192 9104: 2B1569E72L5030207 9105: 2B1569E78L5030194 9106: 2B1569E7XL5030195 9107: 2B1569E71L5030196 9108: 2B1569E73L5030197 9109: 2B1569E75L5030198 9110: 2B1569E77L5030199 9111: 2B1569E7XL5030200 9112: 2B1569E75L5030203 9113: 2B1569E77L5030204 9114: 2B1569E79L5030205 9115: 2B1569E70L5030206 9116: 2B1569E72L5030255 9117: 2B1569E76L5030257 9118: 2B1569E76L5030260 9119: 2B1569E7XL5030262 9120: 2B1569E71L5030263 9121: 2B1569E77L5030266 9122: 2B1569E70L5030268 9123: 2B1569E79L5030270 9124: 2B1569E72L5030272 9125: 2B1569E76L5030274 9126: 2B1569E7XL5030276 9127: 2B1569E73L5030278 9128: 2B1569E71L5030280 9129: 2B1569E75L5030282 9130: 2B1569E79L5030284 9131: 2B1569E72L5030286 9132: 2B1569E76L5030288 9133: 2B1569E74L5030290 9134: 2B1569E76L5030291 9135: 2B1569E7XL5030293 9136: 2B1569E73L5030295 9137: 2B1569E77L5030297 9138: 2B1569E70L5030299 9139: 2B1569E75L5030301 9140: 2B1569E79L5030303 For page: (see 9001-9020) Note: 9137-9139 were delivered with Allison HT748 ATEC transmissions. 1992 (units 9201-9210) 9201: 2B1569K71N5030979 9202: 2B1569K75N5030984 9203: 2B1569K75N5030998 9204: 2B1569K77N5030999 9205: 2B1569K71N5031002 9206: 2B1569K70N5031010 9207: 2B1569K73N5031017 9208: 2B1569K77N5031022 9209: 2B1569K78N5031031 9210: 2B1569K79N5031040 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki..._V_%27N_VINs%27 Note: All units 9201-9210 originally were delivered with the Cummins L10-240G CNG engine and ZF ECOMAT 4HP500 transmission. By 250,000 miles, these were overhauled and replaced with the Cummins L10-280E diesel engine and Voith D863 transmission. 1993 (units 9301-9312) 9301: 2B1569S75N5031276 9302: 2B1569S77N5031280 9303: 2B1569S79N5031281 9304: 2B1569S70N5031282 9305: 2B1569S72N5031283 9306: 2B1569S74N5031284 9307: 2B1569S76N5031285 9308: 2B1569S7XN5031287 9309: 2B1569S71N5031288 9310: 2B1569S73N5031289 9311: 2B1569S73N5031292 9312: 2B1569S75N5031293 For page: (see 9201-9210) Note: Unlike the other L10-equipped units (8901-8925, 9001-9019 and 9101-9140), this dozen Orion V's would use the electronically-controlled L10-280E CELECT (a contraction of "Cummins Electronics") engine. The reason I assume units 9301-9312 to use the Cummins L10-280E engine is because, by 1993, that derivation had replaced the older, mechanically-controlled L10-240B and L10-270B engines. I apologize if any of the VINs I typed here are already in the databases mentioned. ~Ben

ALEXANDRIA TRANSIT COMPANY (VA) DASH ORION I VINs Units: 1-17 Model: 01.502 Delivered: 1/1984 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V71N Transmission: Allison MT644 1: 2B1119273D6756817 2: 2B111927XD6757818 3: 2B1119274E6758819 4: 2B1119275E6759820 5: 2B1119273E6760822 6: 2B111927XE6761823 7: 2B1119276E6762824 8: 2B1119272E6763825 9: 2B1119279E6764826 10: 2B1119277E6765828 11: 2B1119273E6766829 12: 2B1119274E6767830 13: 2B1119270E6768831 14: 2B1119277E6769832 15: 2B1119273E6770833 16: 2B1119271E6771835 17: 2B1119278E6772836 For pages: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27D_VINs%27 (units 1-2) http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27E_VINs%27 (units 3-17) Units: 18-19 Model: 01.507 Delivered: 4/1986 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA MUI Transmission: Allison HT747 18: 2B1139776G6001328 19: 2B1139778G6001329 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27G_VINs%27 Units: 20-33 Model: 01.507 Delivered: 2-3/1991 (20-28), 10/1991 (29-33) Engine: Cummins LTA10-270B (diesel) Transmission: Voith D863.2 20: 2B1139E74M6002752 21: 2B1139E76M6002753 22: 2B1139E78M6002754 23: 2B1139E7XM6002755 24: 2B1139E71M6002756 25: 2B1139E73M6002757 26: 2B1139E75M6002758 27: 2B1139E77M6002759 28: 2B1139E73M6002760 29: 2B1139E70M6002926 30: 2B1139E74M6002928 31: 2B1139E76M6002929 32: 2B1139E72M6002930 33: 2B1139E76M6002932 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27M_VINs%27 Thank you, Ben

FAIRFAX CONNECTOR ORION I VINs LIST 7700-7732 Delivered: 7/1985 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V71N (later changed to 6V92TA DDEC) Transmission: Allison MT644 7700: 2B1139270F6001167 7701: 2B1139272F6001168 7702: 2B1139274F6001169 7703: 2B1139270F6001170 7704: 2B1139272F6001171 7705: 2B1139274F6001172 7706: 2B1139276F6001173 7707: 2B1139278F6001174 7708: 2B113927XF6001175 7709: 2B1139271F6001176 7710: 2B1139273F6001177 7711: 2B1139275F6001178 7712: 2B1139277F6001179 7713: 2B1139273F6001180 7714: 2B1139275F6001181 7715: 2B1139277F6001182 7716: 2B1139279F6001183 7717: 2B1139270F6001184 7718: 2B1139279F6001197 7719: 2B1139272F6001199 7720: 2B1139275F6001200 7721: 2B1139277F6001201 7722: 2B1139279F6001202 7723: 2B1139270F6001203 7724: 2B1139274F6001205 7725: 2B1139276F6001206 7726: 2B1139278F6001207 7727: 2B113927XF6001208 7728: 2B1139271F6001209 7729: 2B113927XF6001211 7730: 2B1139271F6001212 7731: 2B1139273F6001213 7732: 2B1139275F6001214 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27F_VINs%27 7733-7739 Delivered: 1/1988 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA MUI Transmission: Allison HT747 7735: 2B1139778H6001770 7736: 2B113977XH6001771 7737: 2B1139774J6001772 7738: 2B1139776J6001773 7739: 2B1139778J6001774 7733: 2B113977XJ6001775 7734: 2B1139771J6001776 For pages: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27H_VINs%27'>http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27H_VINs%27 (7735-7736) http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27J_VINs%27 (7733-7734, 7737-7739) 7800-7809 Delivered: 12/1987-1/1988 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V71N (later changed to 6V92TA DDEC) Transmission: Allison MT647 7800: 2B1119279H6001760 7801: 2B1119270H6001761 7802: 2B1119272H6001762 7803: 2B1119274H6001763 7804: 2B1119276H6001764 7805: 2B1119278H6001765 7806: 2B111927XH6001766 7807: 2B1119271H6001767 7808: 2B1119273H6001768 7809: 2B1119275H6001769 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27H_VINs%27 7740-7744 Delivered: 3/1989 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA DDEC Transmission: Allison HT748 ATEC 7740: 2B1139770K6002130 7741: 2B1139772K6002131 7742: 2B1139774K6002132 7743: 2B1139776K6002133 7744: 2B1139778K6002134 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27K_VINs%27 7745-7754 Delivered: 12/1990 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA DDEC Transmission: Allison HT748 ATEC 7750: 2B1139775L6002691 7751: 2B1139777L6002692 7752: 2B1139779L6002693 7753: 2B1139770L6002694 7754: 2B1139772L6002695 7745: 2B1139774L6002696 7746: 2B1139776L6002697 7747: 2B1139778L6002698 7748: 2B113977XL6002699 7749: 2B1139772L6002700 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27L_VINs%27 7755-7761 Delivered: 5/1991 Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA DDEC Transmission: Allison HT748 ATEC 7755: 2B1139773M6002819 7756: 2B113977XM6002820 7757: 2B1139771M6002821 7758: 2B1139773M6002822 7759: 2B1139775M6002823 7760: 2B1139777M6002824 7761: 2B1139779M6002825 For page: http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Orion_Bus_Industries_I_%27M_VINs%27 Please verify all of these. Thank you, Ben Edge (ClassicBusFan81)

Can anyone identify if this 1983 Orion I 01.502 owned by Roy McCullough is an ex-Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport Transportation bus? It sounds like it has a Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and Allison HT740 transmission. Thank you, Ben

What is your opinion on the old Orion I and TMC CityCruiser series buses? In the U.S., these were produced under license by TMC, then a Greyhound subsidiary, in the years 1979 to 1982. In mid-1982, it was decided that the Mississauga, Ontario, Canada-based Orion Bus (then called Ontario Bus Industries) was to open a U.S. plant, in Oriskany, NY. The TMC version of the bus came only in the 30-foot length (the Orion I, then sold mainly in Canada, was also available in a 35-foot length). Both variations until 1982 only came with a Detroit Diesel 6V53 engine backed by an Allison MT643 automatic transmission with locking torque converter. A 6V71 prototype bus was tested in Canada, and it eventually became reality. After Orion I began making its first buses in the U.S., the 6V53 was replaced by the 6V71 (naturally aspirated up to 198 hp, and turbo-aftercooled up to 225 hp) and the more powerful 6V92TA producing 253 hp (the latter was the only California-compliant engine available (when specified as 6V92TAC), until the Cummins L10 showed up in 1986). The transmission changed, too: instead of the MT643, the Orions were given a choice of two Allison automatics (the MT644/7/8 and the HT740/7/8) and four ZFs (4HP500, 4HP590, 5HP500 and 5HP590), to be joined by the Voith DIWA D863.2/D864.2 (most common behind the Cummins L10) and the Renk Doromat 874B in 1986. The most common transmission other than the Allison was the ZF. It was also during 1982 that a 35-foot long bus showed up in the U.S., and was joined by a 40-foot bus in late 1983. A few 30-foot Orion I's were powered by Caterpillar 3208T engines (an engine usually found in school buses) producing 215 hp. ~Ben