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Here's a Neoplan USA VIN for you: 1N9TA16A8XL013121 Points to a 1999 Neoplan AN440A or AN460A with a Detroit Diesel Series 50 engine. ~Ben

Here is a VIN for one of the Gillig BRT buses for TriMet. 2012 Gillig G27D102N4 BRT (3001-3055) 3001: 15GGD271XC1181001 If anyone has more info on the VINs for the Gillig BRT buses for TriMet, you're welcome to post it. Stalwart23 (aka Nolan Kolmel)

Would anyone happen to know all about the VIN system Gillig used for its buses since September 1, 1980? This includes the Phantom transit bus, the Phantom school bus (or "transit coach"), the older style "transit coach" (school bus, 1980-82 models), the Spirit midibus and the Advantage low-floor bus. 1ST DIGIT: COUNTRY OF ORIGIN 1 = United States of America 4 = same (incomplete vehicle) 2ND-3RD DIGITS: MANUFACTURER 5G = Gillig Corporation 6G = Gillig Corporation (incomplete vehicle) 4TH DIGIT: MODEL SERIES A = school bus (or "transit coach") B = utility bus C = Phantom, Spirit (transit bus) D = Phantom (suburban bus) E = incomplete vehicle F = shuttle bus G = Advantage (low floor) 5TH DIGIT: BODY LENGTH A = 30 foot B = 35 foot C = 37 foot (school bus) D = 40 foot (or incomplete vehicle) E = 27 foot (Spirit) 6TH-7TH DIGITS: ENGINE TYPE 01 = Caterpillar 3208NA (200 hp) (1980-1982, 1986-1990) 02 = Caterpillar 3208T (210 hp) (1986-1990) 03 = Caterpillar 3208T (225 hp) (1986-1990) 04 = Caterpillar 3208 (636 cu. in.) (1990-1991) 05 = Cummins NHHTCC (855 cu. in.) (1980-1982) 06 = DD 6-71N/T (426 cu. in.) (1980-1982) 07 = DD 6V53N & 6V53T (318 cu. in.) (1980-1984) 08 = DD 6V92TAC (552 cu. in.) (260 hp) (1981-1983) 09 = DD 6V92TA/TAC (552 cu. in.) (1982-1994) 10 = Chevrolet 427 (gas V8) (1982-1997) 11 = DD 8.2L "Fuel Pincher" (500 cu. in.) (1982-1990) 12 = Cummins L10, L10E & L10G (611 cu. in.) (1984-1998) 13 = Ford 460 (gas V8) (1984-1990) 14 = DD 6V71N/TA (426 cu. in.) (1984-1988) 15 = Caterpillar 3116 (403 cu. in.) (1990-1997) 16 = Caterpillar 3176 (629 cu. in.) (1990-1997) 17 = DD 8V92TA (736 cu. in.) (1990-1996) 18 = Cummins C8.3, C8.3E, C8.3G & ISC (504.5 cu. in.) (1990-2003) 19 = Cummins B5.9, B5.9G & ISB (359 cu. in.) (1990-2006) 20 = DD Series 50 & 50G (510 cu. in.) (1993-2004) 21 = Cummins M11E & ISM (661 cu. in.) (1994-2009) 22 = DD Series 40E (8.7 liter/530 cu. in.) (1995-2003) 23 = DD Series 60 (12.7 liter/778 cu. in.) (1996-2003) 24 = Caterpillar 3126 & C7 (439 cu. in.) (1998-2009) 25 = Caterpillar C12 (12.0 liter/729 cu. in.) (2001-2009) 26 = DD Series 40E (7.6 liter/466 cu. in.) (2001-2003) 27 = Cummins ISL (540 cu. in.) (2001-2003) 28 = electric motor/fuel cell 29 = Cummins ISL (330 hp) (2004-present) 30 = Cummins ISB (6.7 liter/409 cu. in.) (2007-present) 8TH DIGIT: BRAKE SYSTEM 1 = Air 2 = Hydraulic 10TH DIGIT: MODEL YEAR A = 1980 B = 1981 C = 1982 D = 1983 (and you know all the rest, skipping the letters I, O, Q and U) 11TH DIGIT: PLANT OF ASSEMBLY 1 = 25800 Clawiter Rd., Hayward, CA 94545 2 = 1010 Industrial Loop, Hillsboro, TX 76645 12TH-17TH DIGITS: SERIAL NUMBER BLOCKS 030000-037999 = school bus (class 7 or 8), utility bus Definition: School Bus Style (class 7 or 8) 038000-040000 = heavy duty chassis w/dual rear axle, w/9,072-20,412 KG (20-45,000 lbs.) suspension (incomplete vehicles) Definition: GVW 15,876 KG (35,000 lbs.) or over (class 8) 040001-050000 = heavy duty chassis w/single rear axle, w/9,979-11,340 KG (22-25,000 lbs.) suspension (incomplete vehicles) Definition: GVW 11,739 KG (25,880 lbs.) or over (class 6-8) 050001-059999 = medium duty chassis w/6,804-9,978 KG (15-21,999 lbs.) suspension (incomplete vehicles) Definition: GVW 8,618-15,422 KG (19-34,000 lbs.) (class 5-8) 060000-069999 = light duty chassis (incomplete vehicles) Definition: GVW under 8,618 KG (19,000 lbs.) (class 5) 070000-079999 = transit bus (low floor) Definition: 9.14 meters (30 feet) & over length (class 7-8), one step entry 080000-089999 & 110000-129999 = transit bus, suburban bus (except low floor) Definition: 9.14 meters (30 feet) & over length (class 7-8), three step entry 090001-090240 = shuttle bus (not low floor) Definition: Aluminum body structure (class 6-8), three step entry 090250-109999 = bus (low floor) Definition: Less than 9.14 meters (30 feet) length (class 6-8), one step entry CLASSIFICATION OF 4TH VIN DIGIT A = School bus. Sold for school bus usage. B = Utility bus. School bus style, but not used as school bus. C = City transit bus. Transit bus without high backed seats, not low-floor - 3 step entry (aluminum, steel or stainless body structure) D = City suburban bus. Transit bus with high backed seats, not low-floor - 3 step entry E = Incomplete vehicle. An assemblage consisting as a minimum of frame and chassis structure, powertrain, steering system, suspension system, and braking system. F = Shuttle bus. Bus used for shuttle service with aluminum body structure, not low-floor - 3 step entry G = City transit bus/low floor. Transit bus with or without high backed seats - low floor - 1 step entry EXAMPLE VIN: 15GCA121_L1083782 VIN: 1 5 G C A 1 2 1 _ L 1 0 8 3 7 8 2Value: 1 5 7 3 1 1 2 1 0 3 1 0 8 3 7 8 2Weight: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 10 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2Products: 8 35 42 15 4 3 4 10 0 27 8 0 48 15 28 24 4The sum of all parts in this example is 275, so after dividing the sum by 11, the check digit is 0 which gives us a complete VIN of 15GCA1210L1083782. Using the above charts, these break down as: 15G = world manufacturer identifier (Gillig Corporation - bus) C = City transit bus A = 30 foot body length 12 = Cummins L10 engine (diesel) 1 = air brakes 0 = check digit L = model year 1990 1 = assembled in Hayward, CA 083782 = serial number (in block defining transit/suburban bus except low floor) Thank you, Ben Edge