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  1. 1 hour ago, CLRV4094 said:

    It's possible they've been sending some test cars onto Dundas considering it will use pantos when it returns and also considering it returns March 29th, which isn't that long from now.

    Hmm. It was too dark to see if the panto was up. Well, and I was driving down the DVP.

    There really shouldn't be any issue with track. That section has been used for several recent diversions of Queen cars and I think Carlton. I've seen streetcars on there during the whole Dundas 505 bustitution. But checking if the panto works, yeah I can see that.

  2. 31 minutes ago, ttc rider said:

    Most likely neither.

    After the 505 streetcar service was removed in Feb 2018, the tracks on Dundas between Parliament and Broadview have always remained in use for short turns on 504, and 501.

    Since September 2019, that stretch is also used in regular service one-way from Broadview to Parliament by the 508 Lake Shore tripper in the afternoon peak.

    Well, the 508 is run by buses these days. And 10 PM is some hours after the 508 has been put to bed. So I think my question stands.

  3. If it was mentioned here before, I missed it. Bathurst is operating with pantographs.

    I continue to scratch my head about which routes have been coverted, and how slow the process is going. I thought that after the first 60 or so cars they were going to be pantograph-only? :rolleyes:

  4. 2 hours ago, Bus_Medic said:

    This was from a semi. Unless you’re advocating for commercial drivers to walk the roofs of their ladder less van trailers with shovels, these types of things are a possibility.

    Disclaimer: I may be mis-remembering, and I think I'd have to be on internal systems to find any information.

    But I seem to recall that a municipal worker was seriously injured by ice falling on his head from the top of a garbage truck. And yes, the Ministry investigated, and steps were taken. So some analogue to your suggestion may be required of CVOR operators.

    (I am certified for JHSC; this would have come up at some meeting, probably 2017. Wasn't our division.)

  5. 41 minutes ago, nfitz said:


    The assumption is that everyone transferring to GO at those stations, either has gotten there on TTC, or has a pass loaded. Then, if they are inspected, the inspectors know that a valid TTC fare on the card, is okay.

    I suppose those that live near the stations and pay individual fares and instead walk to the GO platform, are out of luck - but I guess they can just tap into the TTC station, and then leave straight away, if they are that desperate to save the 60 cents difference between a TTC fare and a GO fare.

    So do they cover up or turn off the GO Presto readers, or have someone there telling you what's going on, or what? Because I expect that most users will just tap the GO readers.

    Then again, where are you allowed to ride? Suppose you were going to take the subway from Kipling to Main Street. You get on the GO train and ride to Danforth?

    The concept is simple. The execution has many ifs and gotchas.

  6. 2 hours ago, 63 Ossington said:

    The co-fare being eliminated and GO-Protocol are not related. 

    I notice that the TTC was recommending taking the GO train at Kipling to skip the Bloor-Danforth mess.

    I presume that you tap your Presto and it deducts TTC fare, not GO fare, automatically?

    As a Presto user, how can you be sure that it's deducting the right fare? Especially beforehand, because after it's done its deductions, it will be a pain to try to get them corrected.

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  7. 1 hour ago, Streety McCarface said:

    All the lines (except the 510, 511, and 509) were built along streetcar suburbs, and are still present there to this day. A suburb is just an outlying district of a city. It usually has residential zoning but it's not confined to it. Density is not in the definition either. 

    If I recall correctly, downtown is only bounded by Parliament, Bathurst, and Bloor. You have other urban centers throughout the city, but anything outside that is considered a suburb. 

    That's a definition of "suburb" which wouldn't much be recognized in Toronto.

    I think it's pretty universal to consider Lake Shore west of the Humber as the only suburban streetcar route in Toronto.

  8. 18 hours ago, Streety McCarface said:

    If you consider 8K PPD "Heavily underperforming," then perhaps the 508, the 501L, the 511, and the suburban sections of the 501 and 506 should also be cut from service, since for the 2.5km of unique routing the 502/503 have, the middle two routes have like 7km and 5km respectively of unique track, meaning they get about the same ridership factoring in service levels and the service corridor.

    With regards to the 504/505 termini, You don't fix problems by ignoring them or giving up on the streetcar network, you fix them by fixing the problem. 

    I think that argument is backwards. The Kingston Road section seems to carry few riders in my random observations. Unless we have data that shows the demand is on Kingston Road, I would assume that the majority of it is on Queen. So just add some east-end Queen trippers and be done with it.

    What are the "suburban sections" of the 506? Sure, Gerrard St East between Greenwood and east of Woodbine was the suburbs....back in 1910.

  9. Anyone seen how the artics are doing today? I understand that some or all of them got tires with greater snow capability. It's a good test out there, whatever snow plowing has been done hasn't kept up with the snowfall.

    ETA: I see in Transsee that a lot of artics are out, many of which are unsurprisingly behind schedule. As I hang out in the land of the old hand-me-down too loud buses, I have no idea if any of those artics are stuck.

  10. 41 minutes ago, Wayside Observer said:

    A parking charge at the train station on top of the train ticket results in a net increase in cost to use the Go train.  It is a de facto fare increase.

    Lucky you.  So you don't need it means nobody else should have it?  We're back at the last mile bullshit which in my case, this other Metrolinx thing called the Hamilton LRT was going to solve a major problem for me in that respect.  Trashing the local, last mile rapid transit project and leave behind a bus service that doesn't integrate with the train times, fine, don't even think about charging me for having to park in fucking Burlington in order to get to work on time.

    GO will happily sell you a fare and let you on the train whether or not you have parked at the station. Therefore it's not a de facto fare increase.

    The last mile problem is indeed something that Metrolinx needs to address. You'd be better off tying your argument to something like "fix the last mile problem!"

    I will note that reserved parking already runs $98/month as per GO's website. I'd guess that at least half of Long Branch's parking lot is reserved. Of course the rest of it is full before 7 AM.

    I guess you can go complain to Premier Doug.

    What will you say if the per-km fare is actually balanced out? Guess what, your commute from Burlington (to Toronto?) will be even more expensive. I guess you'll have to spend some of that $10,000 you saved by knowing oil burners.

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  11. 44 minutes ago, nfitz said:

    So Toronto riders should suffer many years of extra delay while another vendor designs a streetcar that can run in Toronto, and costs much more $, because Bombardier delivered the final car (checks schedule) 2 weeks late?

    What, there was only one schedule, and they blew it by only two weeks? :rolleyes:


    The delivery plan in the Contract called for 204 streetcars to be delivered commencing in May 2013 and completion in May 2019.

    (Pg. 3 of https://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2018/May_8/Reports/4_Negotiation_with_Bombardier_on_Liquidated_Damages_due_to_D.pdf)



    At the June 22, 2015 Board meeting, the Board received a report outlining the current status of the delivery of the new streetcars. In accordance with the Contract delivery schedule (as adjusted), by the end of 2014 the TTC was expecting to receive 37 streetcars and by the end of 2015, TTC was to receive 73 total streetcars. The actual number of streetcars delivered as of December 31, 2014 was 3 and Bombardier was targeting to have 27 streetcars delivered by the end of 2015.

    (Pg. 4 of http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2015/September_28/Reports/Board_Request_Staff_Review_of_Options_to_Exclude_Bombardier_.pdf )




    Despite continual CEO-President level conversations on delivery between the two organizations, the challenge to produce quality vehicles has unfortunately proven to be too formidable. This resulted in promised vehicles for the service launch for Route 510 Spadina on August 31stsliding from a forecast of 14 cars in March, to 8 cars in May, to ending up with only 2 cars on launch day. The reduced quantity at the end of August was partly due to the labour strike that started on July 14, 2014.

    Bombardier has continued to restructure and retool to recover the delivery schedule. It submitted a revised schedule on June 1, 2015 that takes into account the above extensions of time, delays related to production and quality difficulties, and various claims.

    In the June 1, 2015 schedule, Bombardier has committed to completing the delivery of 27 cars for acceptance by year end 2015, and completion of the 204 vehicles of the base LFLRV contract order in 2019. This revised schedule is the latest of a series of proposals submitted in January, February 19th, March 15thand on April 30th. Changes to the schedule from version to version were made partly due to scrutinization by the TTC for substantiation to the recovery schedule. The following table compares the Contractual(adjusted) schedule to Bombardier’s June 1, 2015 proposal.


    (Pg. 6 of http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2015/June_22/Reports/Board_Report_with_Confidential_Attachment_New_Streetcar.pdf)

    After Bombardier gave up on Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, .... (they were going to run out of letters) the proposed a slipped schedule. Note that deliveries would be complete by August 2019:


    (Pg. 8 of http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2015/June_22/Reports/Board_Report_with_Confidential_Attachment_New_Streetcar.pdf)

    Saying "they met their schedule....well....almost met their schedule", when their schedule was constantly expanding, is post hoc ergo propter hoc.

    Not to mention that coming close to catching up at the very end does not help for all those years where we were missing 50 or so streetcars that should have been delivered already.

  12. 14 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

    I understand that but how much do I trust them to forego the potential revenue?  Even taking your example of a $5 parking charge minus a $4 fare reduction, the net increase of $1 works out to almost a 10% fare hike and meanwhile nowhere in any of the articles has Metrolinx addressed the last mile local transit issue in the context of adding parking fees.  On the contrary, I can think of a total of three Go train stations that Metrolinx won't be serving with LRT now.

    You don't trust them. Why would you?

    It's not a fare increase, it's a parking charge. If you call it a fare increase, you might as well say that if the price of gas goes up, your GO fare has increased.

    I recall moans of protest when the free parking for Metropass users was taken away at TTC parking lots. Imminent collapse of the TTC, cats sleeping with dogs, etc. Oddly, the parking lot at Kipling station remained packed during the day, those times I had to walk through to get to the station entrance. Maybe the other parking lots I haven't visited are empty?

    I am biased because I never park at a GO station, and would look forward to any reduction in my fare. On the other hand, charging for parking will give some people an incentive to figure out an alternative to driving by themselves to the GO station and plopping their car down for the day. I don't agree with arguments that GO should keep expanding parking lots, including building multi-storey parking palaces, to preserve the right to easy, plentiful, free parking.

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  13. 1 hour ago, smallspy said:

    Considering that the TTC has said that the cars on Dundas will be using pans when they return to the route, there's no need to speculate on it.

    Is there any rhyme or reason to initiating pan operation?

    Granted that they had a chance to redo the overhead during the service suspension, Dundas is hardly the busiest route. Why not make King a pan route? Or the Lake Shore section of 501, which is pan-ready as far as I know, and wouldn't be used by any diverting routes?

    I know you don't have the answer....I'm just muttering rhetorical questions.

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  14. 4 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

    Metrolinx considers paid parking for GO station lots

    I happened across this one while I was perusing the CBC News website this morning.  So after years of hiking fares by about 7% until recently, the loss of the 15% public transportation tax credit, lots of whinging and moaning about 'the last mile' getting people to Go stations but classic lack of action about actually doing something about local feeder transit service, Metrolinx has settled on the classic fallback showing that agency's true colours of its roots and legacy of being a Dalton McGuinty/Kathleen Wynne abomination: make it more expensive.  As if fares aren't high enough as it is.  As if those aren't going to continue to rise.

    Seriously, does anybody actually believe this crap about how they're only studying the possibility of charging for parking and nothing firm's been decided?  I call BS.  They've decided to charge for parking.  They're only sorting the details about the specifics of how and when it's going to be phased in.

    So drop fares a bit at the same time. Everyone who does not park at a station gets a break. If you park, you wind up paying more.

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  15. 1 hour ago, Wayside Observer said:

    I saw a bus.

    TTC 7921.  Dead.  At the side of the road.  Lakeshore Bl. and Kipling.  Complete with safety triangle behind the bus and four ways on.

    We were assured from Definite Sources that the 7900s would be gone by the end of 2019. It seems that 7921 just got the memo. :rolleyes:

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  16. 40 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

    While we're discussing the technical backgrounds of these cars, a few questions in that area from myself.

    1. Door controls: During the last ALRV run, the driver of 4204 kept telling people that they were not to stand on the steps, or else the doors wouldn't be able to close. Was this merely a safety consideration, or was there no way to override the treadle on these cars and shut the doors?

    I'm not aware of any way to override the treadle doors once they are open and someone is standing on them....ALRV or CLRV (or PCC, or buses).

    For some reason, the ALRVs on Queen always seemed to confuse riders who didn't know how to open the doors, but I didn't see nearly as many problems in the later days of the CLRVs.

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  17. 17 hours ago, Downsview 108 said:

    I think just everyday people.

    Plenty of non-foaming people were taking pictures of 4178 as it travelled east on the Carlton route Friday afternoon. Others just looked and smiled. I think the news is out. :wub:

    7 hours ago, Orion V said:

    Glad I took my last ride last weekend way in advance of all these people taking pics and videos. Don't want my face indirectly pastured all over the internet like a celebrity.

    There was one young man on my trip across Queen on the 21st who was not neurotypical. The operator took it all in stride and kept up a conversation. I think it's the same operator that the CBC has listed as the final car op.

    I didn't really like these cars when they first appeared, replacing the more interesting PCCs. However, I will miss the fact that their windows open, and there's no meep-meep and bing-bong-bang as the doors open and close. Just the sound of the door alarm as unaware riders try to push them open....with the operator, and everyone around the stairwells, yelling "Step down!"

    To be fair, that seemed to be much more prevalent on the ALRVs. Just about everyone on the CLRVs seems to know how to get the rear doors to open.

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