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  1. I believe they were built in reverse order 1232-1213 It's not due to weight but you are correct that the 53 is not to run anything larger than a 35 footer.
  2. As Infinorth stated above, it's not just the 70. None of the SB buses coming off of Carey Road service Douglas at Boleskine/Saanich. It's a matter of safety, it's too risky to have buses try to maneuver across 3 lanes of traffic in such a short distance.
  3. My mistake. That was the Route 16. Brain fart because I had Route 13 on my mind I've edited the original post. To clarify, there was no Route 13 in 1976. Regarding the timetables, some day I would like to digitize them although I'm short on time and resources right now.
  4. The transfers from Central Fraser Valley have started to arrive. 9288, 9301, and 9306 arrived on property earlier this week. This likely spells the end for a significant number of the 9800 Flyers still left in service. Route 16 outbound: From Yates and Douglas via Broad, Johnson, Douglas, Hillside, Lansdowne, Cadboro Bay, Telegraph Bay, Arbutus, Finnerty to Sinclair. Route 16 inbound: From Finnerty and Sinclair via Finnerty, Arbutus, Telegraph Bay, Cadboro Bay, Lansdowne, Hillside, Douglas to Yates. Present day, the 11 covers this portion of the route. However, at this point in time, the 11 did not continue beyond the Uplands. There are only 2 stops on Sinclair that are not served by other routes, and these 2 are in relatively close proximity to other routes. It's fine to point out the limited nature of the current Route 13, but you shouldn't neglect to acknowledge that Cadboro Bay has a far higher level of service now than it did in the past. The current setup allows far more residents in the area to have access to a higher level of transit service than the system of the 1970s did.
  5. Route 26 Westbound: From Sinclair at Cadboro Bay Road via Sinclair, Finnerty, McKenzie, Saanich, Vernon, Douglas, Boleskine, Harriet, Burnside, Tillicum, Transfer, Lampson, Esquimalt, to HMC Dockyard. Route 26 Eastbound: From HMC Dockyard via Esquimalt, Lampson, Transfer, Tillicum, Burnside, Harriet, Boleskine, Douglas, Vernon, Saanich, McKenzie, Finnerty, Sinclair, Hobbs, Penrhyn, Cadboro Bay to Sinclair.
  6. I don't think the route was without purpose. I think it was intended to provide service to the multiple mobile home parks along this stretch of the road. The route looks to be the most logical deadhead route for buses going to/from the garage from Crestline and Fleetwood. The bus would be travelling this route regardless, so they just changed those deadheads to in service trips. It was a no-cost way of providing introductory level coverage service to an area that had no transit service. And again, the route did continue on through to downtown. It's probably better to think of it as an extension of Route 2, as opposed to a standalone route. As the system expanded, it probably made sense to cancel those trips in order to allow more flexibility in terms of vehicle utilization by no longer forcing those specific Route 2 trips into a deadhead to or from the yard. There was the 11 Lorne. The oldest Riders Guide from Kamloops I have is from 2006.
  7. With the exception that the route no longer services the former Thrupp Manor, the route hasn't changed. In the AM, the bus would leave the yard and go into service as a Route 15 from Ord and Singh, continue down Ord where it would make a left on to Tranquille, and another left on to Crestline, from which point it would continue as an inbound Route 2 from Crestline and Fleetwood. In the PM, the route would do the opposite. The bus would depart Lansdowne Exchange as a Route 2 as far as Crestline and Fleetwood, but from Fleetwood would turn left (instead of right) onto Crestline and continue as a Route 15 to Tranquille where it would turn right and follow through to Ord and Singh, and back to the garage. The PM Route 15s only operated when the 1/2 Tranquille Parkcrest Night Route was operating. This way, coverage to the Crestline and Briar portion of the Route 2 was ensured. During these times of day, if a passenger needed to go to Briar, they would board a Route 1/2. Passengers disembarking along Parkcrest Ave would continue to board a standard Route 2. After the last Route 15 departed, the Route 1/2 replaced the Route 1 and Route 2 for the remainder of the evening, which essentially covered the two daytime routes as part of a one way loop: Tranquille on the outbound, Parkcrest on the inbound.
  8. Route 15 Ord Road. The route started in 2004 and was discontinued in September 2009 due to low ridership. The route was a coverage route and only ran sporadically. IIRC correctly it utilized deadheading buses from the Route 2.
  9. Some good news for the Province, details of the transit portion of the Safe Restart funding was released this morning, which will help all systems maintain essential levels of service. Based on the funding distribution in the release, it looks like this will allow all systems to maintain their current level of service, and allow the systems that cut service due to Covid to return to or close to pre-Covid levels when ready. This will also set a cap on how much fares can be raised. https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2020TRAN0063-002006
  10. If you Google image search "Routemaster entrance" the results will show that both the front and rear entrance have additional steps to the lower saloon seating area beyond the initial step into the bus.
  11. This is an interesting topic that I never gave much thought before! Based on about 20 minutes worth of poking around the internet, I came up with a few possibilities for the discrepancies... Full disclaimer, I'm no expert on this matter and as I noted above I formulated all of this with about 20 minutes worth of research and thought, so don't shoot me if I get something wrong The most obvious reason I can think is that it's a simple mistake that got lost in translation through years of journalists and bloggers omitting a key part of the statistic that is still referenced presently on BC Transit's website: that the Tridents are the first "low-floor, double deck buses in North America (Victoria)" That's an important distinction to make, but it is an easy fact to gloss over if someone isn't familiar with the industry - this detail may have gotten buried over time due to this reason - even the person who wrote the 20th anniversary FAQ missed that! I honestly think the above is the real reason, but there could be a few other technicalities to get away on - and I'm not saying I necessarily agree with any of these, just to note that I don't think it's implausible that someone could draw these following conclusions: I don't believe any public agency operated double decker buses in the year 2000 specifically, so I suppose they're a "first" just like the 2013 XN40s were BC Transit's "first" CNG powered buses, although I notice that Transit no longer makes this claim on their website. Brampton: Based on was posted above about Brampton's use of their decker, due to it's limited scope of use it may not have been recognized as a full-time revenue vehicle, which could remove it from contention for people eager to claim a "crown" as their own. NYC: Last time deckers operated for the purposes of transit, it was run by the Fifth Avenue Coach Company, which was a private company - historically common but not these days. If one were to limit the definition of "public" transit to those agencies that had direct government involvement, one could rule these ones out. LA: This particular Neoplan vehicle seems to be defined as a "double deck coach" whereas the Dennis Trident is a "double deck transit bus." So again, if one were to grasp at straws, LA may have instead operated an "intercity double deck coach" service as opposed to double decker transit service. Toronto: During the time period when Toronto ran deckers, they were already public if I understand correctly - so this circles me back to my original point, that I think what has happened here is the detail of them being the first modern low floor double deck buses has been lost in the woodwork. I like to overthink things.
  12. With the impending arrival of new double deckers coinciding with the 20-year anniversary of deckers in Victoria, and the retirement of the original 10, Transit has launched a page on their website commemorating the occasion. Of note, the highest mileage of the original 10 is 9004, with 1,232,704km (and counting!). Bus 9001 will also be transferred back to Alexander-Dennis upon retirement and will be preserved in a museum. https://www.bctransit.com/doubledecker20 https://www.bctransit.com/documents/1529710964594
  13. As yesterday was Saturday, it was most likely just on a road test by a mechanic.
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