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20 hours ago, 3190 said:
Funny you mention this, I have been noting down final in-service dates for the 2006/07 Orion 7’s including the date, route and run/bock. I also have noted down all of the in-service dates for the 79/80s, based off of TTC’s system for anyone about to ask “based off of what”.
Please do share if you are able! Entry into service dates especially would be a huge finding. I've been able to place the months for most units based on old allocation sheets, but nothing more concrete than that.
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On 1/16/2024 at 11:37 AM, T3G said:
Trackers are cool, but when no one bothers to compile the data from them, they won't be of much use to anyone but the person reading them.
To that end, I have put my money where my mouth is and compiled the last days of operation for the 7700s and 7800s from the archives of TransSee. It is curious to me that so few people were curious about this subject and never bothered to compile the data, but it is done. I am also working on the rest of the Orion orders which will be put up here in due course.
If anyone wants to put this info on the wiki, please feel free, I have enough work to last me til next Christmas with the rail vehicle rosters.
All dates are formatted YYMMDD. Unless explicitly shared on the forum, there are no dates available for buses who's last day was before May 15, 2018.
BUS NUMBER LAST DAY IN SERVICE LAST DAY ROUTE
7558 180124 185
7575 181126 505
7647 180124 185
7700 ? ?
7701 ? ?
7702 ? ?
7703 ? ?
7704 ? ?
7705 ? ?
7706 ? ?
7707 ? ?
7708 ? ?
7709 181206 502/24/302
7710 ? ?
7711 ? ?
7712 180906 102
7713 181016 924
7714 ? ?
7715 181016 65
7716 181026 72
7717 181016 924
7718 ? ?
7719 181207 24
7720 ? ?
7721 180816 92
7722 ? ?
7723 180621 9
7724 181019 23
7725 ? ?
7726 ? ?
7727 181126 24/20
7728 ? ?
7729 ? ?
7730 180920 81
7731 181126 9
7732 181126 102
7733 ? ?
7734 ? ?
7735 181027 24/300
7736 ? ?
7737 181001 17
7738 181027 16
7739 ? ?
7740 ? ?
7741 181009 102
7742 180821 121/64/87
7743 ? ?
7744 181003 12/22/23
7745 181019 24
7746 ? ?
7747 ? ?
7748 181026 12/17
7749 181119 17
7750 ? ?
7751 180818 16
7752 ? ?
7753 ? ?
7754 181126 72
7755 181120 24
7756 181119 92
7757 ? ?
7758 181003 22
7759 ? ?
7760 180820 65
7761 180822 113
7762 181102 9/17
7763 181130 72
7764 ? ?
7765 ? ?
7766 181120 24
7767 181027 23
7768 181120 12
7769 ? ?
7770 180800 ?
7771 181026 9/12
7772 181002 12
7773 181203 121
7774 ? ?
7775 181001 502/113
7776 181102 81
7777 181102 17
7778 ? ?
7779 181002 121
7780 ? ?
7781 ? ?
7782 181204 502
7783 ? ?
7784 180905 17
7785 ? ?
7786 181102 113
7787 181120 16
7788 181026 17/102
7789 181204 24
7790 ? ?
7791 181120 92
7792 181204 24
7793 ? ?
7794 See 7882
7795 181102 9
7796 181102 505
7797 ? ?
7798 ? ?
7799 ? ?
7800 181120 12/22
7801 ? ?
7802 ? ?
7803 ? ?
7804 ? ?
7805 181027 102
7806 ? ?
7807 141227 ?
7808 181207 91
7809 181113 12
7810 181018 23
7811 181207 92
7812 ? ?
7813 181102 24
7814 161229 ?
7815 181023 502
7816 181102 92
7817 ? ?
7818 181102 69
7819 181115 12
7820 181102 24
7821 181207 92
7822 ? ?
7823 181020 22
7824 181120 17
7825 181026 81
7826 181102 69
7827 ? ?
7828 ? ?
7829 ? ?
7830 ? ?
7831 ? ?
7832 ? ?
7833 181207 17
7834 180530 12
7835 ? ?
7836 181025 16
7837 180904 12
7838 181204 12
7839 181102 16
7840 ? ?
7841 181019 69
7842 181112 505
7843 180608 24
7844 181019 113
7845 181117 505
7846 181207 72
7847 180930 113
7848 181207 22
7849 ? ?
7850 ? ?
7851 ? ?
7852 180918 24
7853 181119 502
7854 ? ?
7855 181017 17/102
7856 180830 12
7857 181019 12
7858 181018 81
7859 181102 72
7860 181011 23/924
7861 180526 21
7862 181115 72
7863 181120 24
7864 181126 102
7865 181125 22
7866 181126 92
7867 ? ?
7868 181126 24
7869 181126 91
7870 ? ?
7871 ? ?
7872 181102 24
7873 ? ?
7874 181126 16
7875 181126 102
7876 181126 113
7877 ? ?
7878 ? ?
7879 181207 22
7880 181126 92
7881 ? ?
7882 181027 505
7883 181202 300/24/87/300-
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1 hour ago, CJ. said:
That's interesting. This was before the buses were actually trackable? Anyone who steals these things can get caught right away (that is if they know its been taken on a joyride in the first place and its not some division guy just not signed in)
Wouldn't there have to be someone watching the GPS map with all the vehicles on it to notice this happening?
Considering how often buses bunch together, and stay bunched together for hours on end, if such a role does exist, I venture that they probably do not pay very close attention to what they are doing.
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18 minutes ago, Kumiko Oumae said:
Not really. The CLRV livery has two versions: The one with the red and silver used for bus deliveries from 1980 to 1994 while the variant (dubbed CLRV V2) with the red stripe on white with silver strips used for bus deliveries from 1995 to 2016; debuting in the 1996 Orion Vs with #8942 the first unit with it.
The last actual delivered buses with the CLRV livery was the 2016 NovaBUS LFS. In total, the CLRV livery has lasted from 1980 to 2016 for bus deliveries.
I really don't want to get bogged down in what is ultimately trivial semantics, but I can't help myself: why exactly is it that the 1980s version of the livery with its copious quantities of grey, and the 2000s version, without any grey, are considered to be variations of the same livery, but the new one, which is, at its core, basically an inverted version of the 2000s version of the livery, is no longer considered to be the same? I think that the original CLRV livery is way more distinct from the two that followed it. The only bus that looks truly, significantly, different in the present day livery is the OG Orion VII, which used way more black-grey in its millennial colours than did other bus models.
18 minutes ago, Kumiko Oumae said:(dubbed CLRV V2)
Dubbed that by who? Seems pretty bland. We should aim for more interesting designations, like British Railways' blood and custard. To that end, I propose Suburban Grey, Kinder Egg, and Communism, in that order.
And to answer the original question: yes, it would have been the A15s. More specifically, 4611, which was the last PCC. By the time their retirement came around all the buses had long since been repainted.
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Yes, the angular seating was not replaced until 1981.
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Out for evening rush: 7923, 7930 on 44; 7935 on 46; 7941 on 73
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30 minutes ago, 5242 said:
4043 (needs correction) - Last seen Aug. 27, 2018 on route 301, the wiki says Feb. 19, 2018
As indicated on the wiki, the car was removed for scrapping on May 23, 2018, so this would be impossible.
They were doing tests of the VISION system on a couple of days in August 2018 using old vehicle fleet numbers, so there is various ghost data that is inaccurate. 4043 was one of them.
The date for 4094 is also incorrect. It was signed into the 306 on November 21, but its recorded trip path is only this:
A few of the cars you noted as having last run on December 29 were actually on December 28. As for the rest, I have them, and as time allows I'm going through and filling in the wiki with delivery/in service/where missing and available, last run dates.
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35 minutes ago, Mar_AC_23 said:
IMO I don't think it's necessary to keep posting sightings in a retirement thread. If someone wants to know if those buses are in service, they can easily search it up for themselves.
I disagree. Profusely. I think the biggest loss that the advent of tracking apps for the transit community is that there are almost no sightings posted anymore. They may not seem important or special now, but in due course they will have historical value. I think it makes for interesting reading looking back on old sightings. Something that was once a regular occurrence will not always be so.
My favourite bus in the old days was Orion V #9400, and I've always been fascinated by routes like the 107 which went far and beyond the boundaries of the city. Once, after the discontinuation of the 107F to Kirby Road, I remember wondering if 9400 had ever been dispatched onto said branch. It was very likely she had, but I had no way of confirming - until I found a post in the today's sightings thread confirming that in fact, it had. A completely innocuous piece of information that would've otherwise been lost to time.
One day, all of the things that we take granted for now - Orion VIIs and Novas and e-buses - will be every bit as historical to readers as things like GMs and Flyers and Orion Vs are to us now. Trackers are cool, but when no one bothers to compile the data from them, they won't be of much use to anyone but the person reading them. Remember all those ALRVs that bit the dust in the beginning of 2018? Unfortunately, no one (that I know of) recorded the last days of operation for those cars, even though I am fairly confident there would have been (statistically) at least a couple of people who went on TranSee on the last day of any given unit to see how many ALRVs were out, they just didn't make a point of reporting what they saw. So our knowledge is a little poorer than it otherwise could've been. And I'm as guilty as anyone, it could have been me to do it, but it never occurred to me to do so, and now it is too late.
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Always happy to help.
One other thing I will add is that panning is a very imprecise type of photography. You can get better at it, you can get a feel of vehicle speed and have more success than someone trying out, but even if you're a senior photographer chances are you'll have more misses than hits. If you want to do underground bus terminal photography, you'd be better off trying to shoot stationary objects.
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Why would the fact that the terminal is underground be significant? Plenty of sketchy folk ply their trade under the wide open sky.
That said, inside the station is not great for photos. No underground place is. Far better to stand outside one of the station exits (Sheppard and Parkway Forest, or Don Mills south of Leith Hill).
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5 minutes ago, 3190 said:
They layover right at the corner on Front St and Bay St outside of the Union Station entrance/exit. They tend to wait around there for a while so plenty of time for shots! A little tip, you can get the CN Tower in the background at the right angle
Fantastic! Many thanks.
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13 minutes ago, 3190 said:
Now they drive 8006 and 8013 between Spadina and Union Station’s as a Transport Shuttles for those in need while Eglinton’s BYD’s silently serve as a warming station type thing inside Spadina Station.
Great info, thanks.
Where is the "loading" point in front of Union? I need a tripod to get a good quality shot so I'd like to prepare my vantage point in advance.
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4606 has entered service on the 503 today (i.e. January 13, 2024).
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Unlike the surface vehicle fleet, the list on the front page is not a definitive list of last days of operation. It is impossible to do this for the rapid transit fleet, with its lack of vehicle tracking, unless you know at least two dispatchers (weekday and weekend) who can provide you with the dispatch sheets every single day. The only point in the list was in having some sort of idea of which cars were making it out of the yard regularly and which not.
With the exception of the cars which were dispatched on July 24, 2023, we do not have, presently, the last days of service for any pair of cars.
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The third vehicle in the collision of 4211 and 4234 was not a CLRV, it was 4213. Unlike the former two it was only lightly damaged and quickly reentered service.
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Back in 2018, I heard a rumour that pantographs had already been purchased for the historical vehicles.
Given that it is now 6 years later and there seems to have been zero movement on the retrofitting of these cars with pantos, would it be accurate to presume that was bunk?
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Newly redelivered cab car 202 at Willowbrook. They haven't gotten around to reinstalling the intercar vestibule yet. Looks better this way.
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Apart from introducing complications in the form of having to update every software and document that features the current numbers, why bother?
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6 minutes ago, Kumiko Oumae said:
Birchmount got the 2-3 year old LFSes from Arrow to retire all the remaining S50-powered VIIs. Unfortunately, they cannot send the entire 83xxs there from Wilson due to height restrictions.
In an alternate universe @Genius101, Queensway takes in the 73xx XDE40s instead of Mount Dennis.Wait until they find Obico Bus Garage down the road.
How many times must you guys be advised not to engage with him? Why do you reopen this absurd, childish, circular argument for the 10,000th time?
Feeling too important to ride air conditioned, low floor buses is not a logical position. You cannot use logic (or allocation history) to get someone out of a line of thinking they didn't logic themselves into. Those of us who are interested in the fleet are interested in reading about the bus allocations, not the same bullshit arguing day in, day out. Give it a rest.
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Just now, 5242 said:
were 4208 & 4210 tracked or are those ones lost forever?
Unless we discover someone else who was as diligent about note-taking, they are lost.
The "lost" cars are 4208, 4210, 4216, 4223, 4224, 4238, 4244, 4245, 4246, 4247, 4248, and 4251. Besides what is indicated on the wiki, and what I indicated above, the missing days I have are:
4201: last ran November 24, 2017
4206: last ran October 14, 2014
4209: last ran November 24, 2017
4211: last ran September 18, 2015 (collision victim with 4234)
4219: last ran December 1, 2016
4227: last ran March 7, 2016
4231: last ran December 13, 2013
4233: last ran December 1, 2016
4234: last ran September 18, 2015
4235: last ran November 15, 2017
4239: last ran October 8, 2017 (collision victim with 4212)
4240: last ran Oct 17, 2018
4242: last ran May 29, 2018
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Just now, Shaun said:
Which part of my question is answered by this link???
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Interesting find on Google Streetview... the capture from September 2014 shows 4041 parked in the deadline without its Shiner Skirts.
Was there a plan to retire the car then that ended up being backtracked on?
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Given the timeframe, my theory is that they did not have, in either the case of 5934+35 or 4608, the personnel to attend to the job (too many people on vacation?). But that is only conjecture, as this does not appear to have caused any noticable delays in offloading the CLRVs or ALRVs which were delivered near year's end, and if anyone has any concrete information, I would welcome knowing it as much as you.
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4 minutes ago, ttc rider said:
I think this is the longest stretch that we've seen so far between delivery by CP and actual offload.
For this current order, perhaps, but not historically.
Fun trivia: H6 cars 5934+5935 were on TTC property on flat cars on December 27, 1989, but not offloaded until January 15, 1990.
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Toronto Nova Bus LFS 8876 approaches Kipling station on January 13, 2024.