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  1. According to Kitsap Transit's Draft 2022 TDP, the Arbocs are all retired. Electric Gillig 4000 is now listed in the fleet inventory as well. Interestingly enough, the Commander, Enetai and Solano aren't listed in the fleet inventory.

  2. Kitsap Transit is trying to work on a new long-range plan, which includes the following:

    • Sunday service, even if new funding is not approved
    • Making hourly routes run every half-hour (4, 5, 9, 20, 24, 26, 221, 223, 225, 235, 237, 332, 334)
    • Introducing three new frequent corridors with service every 10-15 minutes: SR 305, replacing route 390, SR 303, replacing route 217 (and probably also 215 and 301), and Bethel, replacing route 8
    • Improved on-demand RIDE service, including potential new service areas: Poulsbo East, Bay Vista, McCormick Woods, Tracyton, Newberry Hill
    • A Bremerton - Tacoma express service, serving Bremerton TC, Tacoma Dome Station, Park & Rides within Kitsap County and other potential Pierce County destinations
    • New coverage bus service, with the following new routes (presumably all running all-day): A Bainbridge Island loop, a route from Belfair to West Bremerton, A Kingston - Poulsbo service via Suquamish, Port Orchard - McCormick Woods, Southworth - Port Orchard using the straight Mile Hill routing certain 86 trips use currently, Southworth - Sidney Road Park & Ride via Sedgwick Road, a Silverdale Mall Circulator and a Silverdale Medical Center circulator
    • A potential new ferry route (no further details provided)

    More details and a survey are available here: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/09da1c685c8c41c7bcc660d3ec232ae3

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  3. 2 hours ago, Border City Transit said:

    Wow. It's been a crazy year (or two... or three?), but that picture reminds me of why I love cities and why I love transit. Thanks for sharing. A welcome treat. An indisputable reminder that, current challenges notwithstanding, cities and transit have a bright future.

    On Sunday, was 4556 the lone unit running? Or was the entire 36 equipped with trolleys?

    It was the entire 36, for some reason, but none of the other routes.

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  4. 51 minutes ago, Blake M said:

    Are there specific stopping procedures for some routes? Got chewed out by a 210 driver for wanting to disembark at McGill & Renfrew coming from downtown.

    210/211/214 are pick-up only leaving downtown and drop-off only entering downtown. If you're heading to East Van from downtown, you'll probably be best off taking the 4. In the evening, the 209 does make all local stops in both directions, with drop off and pick up service.

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  5. 4 hours ago, AmaryahJohnson1996 said:

    Hi, Who is the Wiki Editor request of ST agencies for rt. 566 was moving to join, operate within King County Metro and you should go edit for the info page on CPTDB.WIKI, please? Thanks.

    I'm doing that right now, it should be updated within a few minutes.

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  6. 11 hours ago, HarmonyX said:

    Um just a bit curious here since I'm new to Canada,

    Is it okay to carry a camera around and shoot buses?

    Does that possibly have anything to do with individual portrait rights?

    Encountered quite a few cases in the US a few years ago when operators asked me to delete the photo with them inside

    I don't believe that there are any legal issues with taking photos. That being said, if you spend enough time doing it you will have operators get frustrated with you. However, you're not doing anything wrong, and there's no requirement that you delete the photo, to the best of my knowledge. 

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  7. 1 hour ago, Jupiter Casper said:

    Ugh, honestly, New Flyer Xcelsiors and Proterras are both junk. Gillig just sent six new all-electric Gillig Low Floors to Kitsap Transit in late-2021. I don't know why Metro won't buy from Gillig. The Low Floors here are much smoother than the Xcelsiors.

    Metro has a large fleet of Gilligs, they just haven't ordered any of the battery buses, so I don't think they're unwilling to order from Gillig. I don't think it's fair to call the Low Floors "smoother" than the Xcelsiors, since that's really a matter of opinion, for example, I view the Xcelsiors as smoother.

    I think one of the main reasons why Metro went Xcelsior for this initial large order of battery buses is that NFI offers both 40-foot and 60-foot battery buses, while Gillig only offers the 40-foot version, which would mean needing an order for XE60s anyway to fulfill the need for artics.

  8. 21 hours ago, roamer said:

    I believe Route 91 was that shuttle that ran through the CBD to the International District when the tunnel first opened.  It seemed that it was on the wire but somebody else would have to confirm.  From what I can remember, it was started because during the construction of the tunnel, the trolley routes used 1st Avenue instead of 3rd Avenue.  Therefore, frequency of service was very high at that time on 1st Avenue.  When the tunnel opened, they thought that people were so used to having such frequent service on 1st Avenue that they wanted to continue to somewhat duplicate that tunnel-construction-period service.  It seemed like not many rode it so that's why it didn't last long  ...maybe a year or two after the tunnel opened? 

    91 cover.jpg

    91 inside jpg.jpg

    It being just two blocks from 3rd Ave aside, I can see why people would generally avoid a route that ends before 4 PM and starts around 8 or 9 in the morning. Presumably not super convenient for most.

  9. 3 hours ago, Express691 said:

    Was trying to refer to duplication on the vancouver-phibbs exchange section. Can passengers just squeeze onto the 210 for the time being? Heard there's lots of space on that section that could use some cutting.

    Also seems a bit wasteful IMO to extend the 214 to burrard station (at least now) - this has been eluded to earlier in this thread by someone else.

    TL;DR - 210/211/214 between Phibbs and Downtown could benefit from re-organization

    Agreed. In my experience, the Phibbs - Vancouver section is usually fairly low ridership, especially outside of peak hours. It would probably make sense to cut the 211 and 214's Vancouver portions, especially the 211's off-peak service downtown.

  10. 19 minutes ago, Kennys bus drawings said:

    last day of the 2600s apparently, at least for now? I wonder if they'd actually come back, and to which base

    I guess we'll find out tomorrow - I'm hoping it gets pushed back some more, but maybe their time has finally come. I'm glad I got photos of a few of them today, but sadly I think my last ride on one was a month or so ago on the 75.

  11. 12 minutes ago, GoCanGo said:


    Not saying it makes sense. The government doesn't see transit operational services as a priority. They are either investing in upfront capital projects that can be visually seen or provide opportunities for photo-ops and announcements. Taxpayers are venomously against transit improvements as well, acting against their self-interest since traffic is projected to get worse as we add 1.2 million immigrants each year going forward.

    Translink pre-COVID was seen as this demonic evil entity that was leeching funds instead of one that maintains a road network and provides some of the best service in the continent. 


    Drives me crazy how ungrateful people are for transit. Translink is one of the best systems out there, yet people take every opportunity to attack it. If they don't want traffic to get worse, the only real option is for better transit, but people can't seem to connect the dots.

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  12. 31 minutes ago, Kennys bus drawings said:

    why are the 3 Gillig brt buses at east base inactive? or are they just not picking up on pantographapp for some reason

    I believe that they are inactive, since a lot of the Metro-operated Sound Transit routes are still suspended (or were deleted during the pandemic), so there isn't a need to use the entire fleet, and keeping an entire subfleet (namely, the only Gilligs operated by Metro for ST) inactive would save on maintenance costs.

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  13. 23 hours ago, Kennys bus drawings said:

    i think the wiki pages for all the metro bases should be updated cause they still show old routes and stuff

    You're absolutely right. I unfortunately have my hands full at the moment but if one of the other editors wants to take it on, that would be a good project.

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  14. 28 minutes ago, 8800GTX said:

    Hey are these here yet? I remember not too long ago that someone tweeted a pic of one of the new blue-top artics hanging out at a Bellingham gas station. I've been kind of connecting the dots re the upcoming January bus service changes (reductions) and quotes from CEO Kevin Quinn. If these are now arriving then it sounds like some routes will be switching from regular buses to artic buses in January 2022...

    Yikes, looks like Translink is pulling a King County Metro move here...

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