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  1. There are a lot of problems with that CBC article which I'd love to discuss with open-minded people but whatever, @Bus_Medic and @Someguy3071 seem to enjoy making personal attacks instead. I'm aware of the TTC trial and a big fan of evidence-based decision making so good on them for taking the time to do proper testing, I'd like to see Ottawa take the same approach but sadly they only have a couple of non-representative samples instead. The hybrid buses had a lot of problems and OC Transpo's negative experience with those buses should not influence its decision to explore fully-electric buses since the two are not related at all but it seems to be colouring OC Transpo's views on the topic which is a shame. If anyone would like to discuss the electrification of the OC Transpo fleet using actual facts I'd be happy to have that discussion but personal attacks and non-factual arguments based on fear and oil industry propaganda are not welcome here. @smallspy I would argue that the technology has indeed caught up to, and in some ways, exceeded diesel buses. Look at what Proterra is doing. Even New Flyer has some decent battery vehicles now. And I have seen the reports from reputable sources about extreme cold temperatures. There are a lot of factors that impact EV range and a lot of things that can be done to mitigate those impacts. i would also point out that at extreme temperatures Diesel vehicles are not reliable either unless certain steps are taken. A lot of those reports leave out key details and are written to get views so they tend to sensationalize things. You make a good point though, we shouldn't rely on the manufacturer's claims either, Ottawa should acquire a test fleet and do its own research.
  2. The Nova electric buses have a lower range and higher cost than some of their competitors which is why I previously said they were inferior, although not a failure. With a long enough range in a bus - and there are battery-electric buses with ranges that match diesel - a DC fast-charge solution become unnecessary although still potentially useful (always nice to fast charge if you need it). The problem with the shorter range Nova electrics is that they pretty much need the fast charge to make it work which is okay for some routes but ideally you'd want the buses to more-or-less be a drop-in replacement for the existing route network and we're at the point now where battery-electric buses are able to do that. Extra infrastructure is okay but not ideal, plus as you said it carries a pretty high cost. I'd like to see the city trial a few types, maybe have a competition or something, instead of trying out what amounts to be the worst example of battery-electric buses and making decisions based on that one skewed sample. It would be like saying EV cars are garbage because you drove in a golf cart that one time and didn't bother to look at a Hyundai or Tesla.
  3. Uh none? I've been driving plug-in cars daily for a couple of years now, I have experience with the technology. It's not magic. What I'm saying is not outlandish but it may be counter to a lot of the anti-EV propaganda that's out there, and there is a lot of it out there! If you had any experience with electric drive @Someguy3071 you would probably be better able to separate truth from propaganda.
  4. They had a couple of Nova Electric examples at the beginning of the year at the St Laurent yard, not sure if they still have them though. They were just testing them out. Unfortunately the Nova electric buses are kind of the worst/most limited ones available so...the Mayor tweeted pics of it at one point. It's true for electric cars and there's no reason why it wouldn't also be true for buses. Electric vehicles are an order of magnitude simpler mechanically than piston equivalents with fewer moving parts and a lot less complexity. Anyone who knows anything about machines knows that simplicity usually equates to reliability. Other cities have been using electric buses for some time now and they do indeed have much lower maintenance requirements. They Hybrids the city bought are a terrible example. They weren't even 'hybrids' as most people think of them today like a Prius where the engine has start-stop and the electric motors can drive the vehicle a short distance. The Hybrid buses did not have those features and were basically the worst of both worlds. They had the complexity of an additional propulsion system but did not receive many of the fuel saving an electric system can provide. It's a shame the city chose such an inferior product because it seems to have soured people on electrification which will only hold our city back and cost our city money, time, and pollution that we can't really afford. They do have slightly lower range in the cold but it won't be an issue. Most systems now have active thermal management and the range hit isn't very dramatic. The city would also be able to size the battery packs with cold weather in mind so it won't be an issue. It's not so much cold weather that affects an electric vehicle but having a cold battery. If the battery is kept warm by a battery management system or even just a warmish garage then there is really no issue. I drive electric vehicles every day, I have an old 2012 Leaf, and even with its primitive (compared to today's) battery management system it still does my daily commute without issue regardless of the outside temperature, and because it's battery-electric I never have to worry about it starting in the cold and it has instant heat since there's no waiting for an engine to warm up. Battery electric really is better but I understand the hesitation some people have, change can be scary.
  5. I thought I'd start this thread in light of OC Transpo and the city starting to test out battery-electric buses. Other cities are making the switch and there are a number of advantages to going full electric. It will save the city about $43 Million a year in diesel, maintenance requirements are lower, pollution is much lower - both noise and fumes, they always start in the winter so increase fleet availability, and so much more! Basically something like a Proterra bus would be an excellent drop-in replacement for any of our diesel buses and are better buses overall.
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