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  1. Agreed. The core area (Victoria, Saanich, Esquimalt) is able to support enough frequency for significant redraw of routes that have a couple ultra-frequent corridors (basically the 50, 15, 40, and 70 to Royal Oak) with most other routes being frequent, direct routes that intersect those. There would be very minimal overlapping of any routes (opposite of routes like the 21 which has exactly zero parts of its route where it's not duplicating another route) which would allow for almost all routes to be frequent, leading to minimal time cost for any transfer needed.
  2. Feedback is open for Broadmead/Cordova Bay and Esquimalt/View Royal area transit plans. Here are the open houses: Or you can complete the online survey here: https://form.simplesurvey.com/f/l/EsquimaltBroadmeadLATP Proposed changes for Broadmead/Cordova Bay 1. Eliminate 6A and 6B, making all 6 buses direct to Royal Oak exchange. I would like to see the 6 extend one stop east to Broadmead village to allow easier transfer from the 70x, but don't think that will happen. 2. Turning the 32 into this confusing disaster. I literally have no idea how any of the routing would work except for the tiny one way bit on the north end. This mess really needs to be 2 separate routes. 3. Minor adjustment to the 35 to better serve the middle school and shopping centre. 4. Extend the 25 to Royal Oak via Blenkinsop. This is good, but I think the 25 now needs to be split into 2 routes to have a clearer structure. Have a mainly N-S route from Royal Oak to downtown, and an E-W route from downtown to Admirals walk. With the proposed route, the bus will go all 4 direction (east, south, west, north) over the course of the route. 5. Create a new 33 from UVic to Royal Oak via Blenkinsop. This route is completely redundant and I don't think it should exist. Use the resources to improve other lines covering the exact same route since the 25 is being extended. The only part where it's not redundant is Chatterton, but that should be folded into another route (maybe 39 or 25?) Proposed Esquimalt/View Royal changes: 1. Increase span of service on the 10. I just don't think the routing of the 10 is very good. Just have it take over the routing of the 24 or 25 into Esquimalt from Bay, and have the routing of the other (24 or 25) from Esquimalt provide the James Bay portion of the 10. This involves splitting both the 24 and 25 into their separate N-S and E-W parts. 2. Have the 14 use the Johnson st bridge instead of Bay for a more direct route. Makes the route faster, more direct, and easier to follow so 👍 3. Provides express (limited stops) service in Esquimalt as well. Overall, it will make moving people faster and allow for more efficient resource utilization, so that's good. I think it needs one more stop between Head and Tyee as that is a pretty big gap, and one more stop would make it pretty even spacing along the whole route. 4. Introduce a new 19/20 route in Esquimalt. This is basically pointless IMO. Ultra low frequency, lots of circles that do go anywhere in particular, and is more or less covered by other routes already. should make existing routes connect to desired areas better if that is the goal instead of making a pointless and relatively useless new route. 5. Extend the 24 and 25 to Tillicum Mall and adjust Esquimalt routing. Why do they want to make routes go every single direction during their run? Just extend the 11 to Admirals walk. Keep routes simple and straight, not confusing and circular. Also, I'm not sure that both Obed and Gorge are needed west of Tillicum Mall, you could probably do with just one route there since they're so close together. For Esquimalt, the 26 already provides local, frequent service along that part of Esquimalt, and it seems quite redundant to push both the 24 and 25 to virtually the same routing. The routing for the 25 especially could be simplified a bit from present, but I don't see the point of providing so many bus lines on virtually the same route. Less routes, more frequent service if covering the same area, or make sure they service different areas. 6. Create a new route 40, direct and frequent between UVic and Dockyard along Mackenzie and Admirals. 👍 7. More service on the 46. 8. Extend the 53 to Vic General.
  3. Coupling Mark II's, reduced frequency, but same overall capacity. This allows for fewer attendants being required to maintain overall capacity.
  4. I have the sense that the RapidBus will likely route close to the 410 routing, instead of the 430, based on what I've seen/heard from people at Translink.
  5. I wouldn't be surprised. South Burnaby/Southeast Vancouver is in need of a loop between Marine Dr Stn and 22nd Stn, at least until the existing rail line there gets passenger rail running on it. It's a good location, with the highest density along the Marine Dr corridor between Cambie and New West, and is well positioned to connect all the current N-S services there (26, 29, 116, 146 and maybe 20 depending on what happens with the future B-line/Rapidbus)
  6. Not until they get good transit priority to avoid delays. A good bit of the issue with going to Cap, and even Phibbs to a lesser extend is all the cars slowing things down, hence the dedicated bus to Cap now. As for the 31 proposal, it provides too much redundancy and very little benefit, because of that redundancy and minimal frequency. For this area of Vancouver and south Burnaby, routes do need to be simplified to make them more legible, efficient, and direct, which should increase ridership and allow frequency improvements. Edit: I have the updated 26 extending to Boundary in the River District to allow for easy 116 transfers. Not imperative, but would be nice.
  7. Does anyone know why there have been a bunch of new hybrid artics from BTC on the 20 the past week or so? I've seen ocassional non-trolleys before but they are rare and usually from VTC. Is the 20 being moved to BTC, or maybe this is a trial to prevent the 20's from always being bunched in groups of 3 in the afternoon?
  8. Capacity can't really be expanded in any reasonable fashion beyond the 5 car trains and maybe a small bump in headway, all of which is accounted for with the mid-2030 at/over max design capacity. Could Translink theoretically spend billions (likely tens of billions) of dollars to lengthen stations, reconfigure tracks and allow longer trains? Yes, but that makes zero sense financially when there are other options to provide better transit to other places while relieving capacity from the Expo line. Additionally that would entail completely shutting down the Expo line for weeks, if not months or years on end as they rebuilt some stations and difficult sections of track..... which is massively problematic to say the least. The business case for a project like this would be disastrous, especially compared with alternate projects that would provide service on other corridors. Not to mention it would be a political nightmare for any official that votes to extend all the stations and shut down the whole line for track re-configuration in areas. Simple math for branching: when you branch a line, frequency is divided. For an example like the Expo line, you can't just add more trains, as the main line will already be running at max throughput, so more trains aren't possible, and branch frequency is limited further by each additional branch https://humantransit.org/2011/02/what-rivers-teach-about-transit.html
  9. The Expo line can not handle any more extensions or branches unless or until alternate or reliever routes for the Expo line are built. Even right now, before any extension in Surrey, the Expo line is expected to be at/above the max build-out capacity (5 car trains, lowest possible headway) within ~15 yrs (mid 2030's). Unless there is other options built to take some ridership from the Expo line (such as a Kingsway line, regional/express rail to Surrey and SoF or other???), we are just building an even worse disaster for 15-20 yrs from now (pass-ups, overcrowding, station and line shutdowns, etc). One of my main concerns with the Expo extension to Fleetwood or Langley is that more people are specifically being funnelled into the Expo line (which is already at/over current capacity in peak periods) with no plan for what happens when the Expo line's capacity can't be expanded any more in a few years. On a different track, in general, branching isn't very advisable as it both cuts frequency by 50% on the branches (sometimes that is fine, but many times it is problematic), and it also reduces long-term flexibility as it makes frequency changes, maintenance/re-construction, and other alternations much more difficult and disruptive to the line. So I definitely think any future lines in Surrey should be independent of the Expo line.
  10. Bi-articulated bus is 24m, and most modern LRV in North America are about 30m to start, and can be extended up to 50m or 60m fairly easily, so there is still double the capacity potential at a minimum. Would have to be a double-ended bus 😯
  11. Just curious, why not existing side-of-road bus lanes with zero cars allowed with right-turns happen from the second lane? Same end result without the cost of adding bus stops since they can drop off on sidewalk like now, and also safer for people waiting for the bus, especially if it gets crowded due to delays, etc. So, leave out Commercial for example, which would cover the cost many of busways, but not all. Busways on Hastings, Commercial, etc. You increase ridership (partly from organic growth, partly as the city continues to densify) on these already high ridership routes and, within a decade, you have the 99 problem where you literally can't increase capacity with more buses, and they are over-crowded much of the time Now we have to spend more money to build LRT, or an even larger sum for grade separation, instead of building more lines in other parts of the region.
  12. Cost-benefit rations can be helpful, but they are limited by what someone determines should be included or excluded (for example, opportunity-cost isn't part of a CBR; how would that ratio change, if it looked at the combination of the 2-5 LRT lines that would exist as part of the CBR if LRT was chosen over Skytrain?). It is also hard to assign a monetary value to qualitative metrics such as reducing the road space for cars, and therefore the number of cars on the road, which often increasing walkability and liveability. You can assign values to portions like pollution reduction impacting overall public health, but you can't really assign values to the whole qualitative metric. Basically, yes, CBR is important, but it should by no means be the main or only determinant of whether a project is worthwhile or better than another. On already busy routes, BRT can quickly run into capacity issues, and end up costing more as you now have to pay for 2 projects instead of just one. Our current B-lines are a relatively cheap way to build ridership and learn the characteristics of that ridership without the full cost of BRT. BRT may still make sense for some routes, but can just be a costly short-term project if replacing a well-performing B-line or other busy route. As far as capacity expansion, yes BRT is easier to expand until you reach basic operating thresholds (more-or-less 5 min headways), but after that, it is far easier to expand LRT capacity (simply add another section to the train). Additionally, a single LRT vehicle can carry about double the capacity of an articulated bus that would most likely be used for BRT, so you have a much larger initial room to grow before reaching those capacity constraints anyway. IMO in Metro Vancouver, we have little reason to build BRT in most places, until it is almost at that 5 min headway anyway. B-lines perform well, and you can have painted bus lanes which work relatively well for minimal cost compared to BRT. The primary reason for LRT (or any train) over buses is capacity. There may also be additional reasons (city-building, shaping density, etc), but the higher capacity and easier expansion of capacity are the main capacity is the main reason for trains IMO. Last thing as more of a thought-experiment; what is of more value to you? 1. A complete network (both N-S and E-W) of at-grade LRT, each line spaced roughly 1km apart, covering the whole city of Vancouver (basically covering the whole existing bus network) or 2. Three "full metro" (tunneled) lines: the Broadway Extension to UBC, 41st Ave from UBC to Joyce, and Victoria/Commercial from Marine to Hastings The cost of both is roughly the same. There isn't necessarily a "right" answer, but it forces you to take a larger perspective, looking at both opportunity cost, as well as viewing the transit network vs individual lines/projects.
  13. Clarity and basis in fact is great. That is all. Great, can you point me to what models they have that are compatible with our current lines as I haven't been able to find any? Also, will they actually be bidding on the proposed Fraser Hwy extension then, and if not, why? The reason for that the year$ difference is simple: the time of construction is different. Fraser Hwy was always going to be built later, and even now, it will still be a couple years behind the proposed SNG line. Also, money guaranteed now, doesn't increase in value, hence having to set money at/close-to YoE (or fixed contract) date. In any case, we have $1.58B currently available (albeit there are numerous hoops to go through with changing the use before it can actually be spent on something other than SNG LRT) that was set for the SNG line. Another ~$1.9B *may* become available, subject to Phase 3 approval, approval from province and feds, and approval of the business case. And we need $2.92B for Fraser Hwy Skytrain to happen, plus the cost for whatever ends up being decided for SNG. Translink figures on page 45. During the AM and PM peaks, yes, the majority would be NoF, but throughout the whole day it likely flips (based on numbers I have heard for other parts of the system) with more SoF. One thing to keep in mind is that skytrain and skytrain-like systems that we have been building are inaccessible enough (long station access times) and stations too far apart (1-3+km vs 600-1000m) to encourage use for more local trips. Closer stations, faster to access, and less walking means more local use. Lastly, just to clarify, I do think we need to serve both more local trips (800m-5km), plus more regional trips, but it is not efficient to try to serve both with a single expensive system (vs a more local LRT and a regional rail system). If the eventual aim is to build Skytrain for SNG and down to White Rock was well, I would argue that we would be better served by using the same amount of money to build it as more local-ish-serving LRT and regional rail (following the SRY corridor) for the same cost. We would have more capacity that way, and serve more areas, while also having an efficient regional spine that can be extended and branched to various places as needed (Abbotsford/Chilliwack, back to Delta/Richmond/Vancouver, Tsawassen, etc)
  14. I would envision the LRT most likely being in the median on it's own ROW (see image below), possibly with some elevated sections if needed to help with grade or particularly problematic areas (maybe around Hwy 1?) Note, that the main purpose of this LRT system would be as follows: 1. Massively increase capacity to avoid the over-crowding that already exists. 2. Somewhat improve travel time due to more priority and further separated ROW 3. Further segregate transit from traffic with to minimize disruptions from cars and make it more reliable. 4. Grow the existing medium-density that fronts Hastings for much of it's length to ~500m on either side of Hastings to improve walk-ability and live-ability. As for the lights, the LRT should have complete priority over all the lights secondary intersections (there's a lot pedestrian/bike triggered lights), which would be relatively simple to build when the system is constructed, and would also have priority at major intersections, but may occasionally have to stop depending on the frequency of the line (basically timing a full-cycle of the lights, meshed with the frequency of the LRT). This could even occur now with the B-line, but I'm not sure the cities/Translink are willing to put in the cost as a stand-alone piece. So yes, the lights are an issue, but it is totally solvable by building in transit-priority at the lights. The downside of building more Skytrain lines, subways, etc is that there is a giant opportunity cost. As an example, for the cost of extending a Millennium line subway to UBC (~14km, $7-8B), you could build 70-120km of surface rail (LRT, regional rail, etc). That could mean a Hastings line (from Park Royal, across the 1st Narrows, to Barnet Hwy and PoCo) plus a 41st Ave line (from UBC to Joyce) plus a Marine Dr line (from New Westminster to Marpole). I'm not saying that we shouldn't extend the Broadway line to UBC, but we need to be aware that the technology and grade (above, below, or at-grade) chosen has a massive impact on the scale of what we are able to build. Yes. The best way to get to SFU will be gondola. From SFU to Duthie or Kensington, connecting with the Hastings line. It will literally save Billions of dollars compared to trying to tunnel under the mountain, provide a much more frequent service, and provide a unique draw for tourists and locals vs a tunnel. Gondolas are cheap AF compared to any other form of rapid transit and can easily run in virtually all weather, unlike buses (and sometimes trains in the snow not working). If you want phenomenally expensive, doing your proposed route as a "full metro" would be accurate for that language. That ~15km route, fully tunneled, as a metro would cost ~$7.5-8.5B.
  15. Solution: Use the ROW from PoCo down to Braid, then through the Grandview Cut. We need more tracks there for express/regional service to Surrey/Langley, and the valley anyway (Expo line reliever), so why not make use of them for the current/expanded WCE as well? Have high capacity LRT on Hastings from Tri-cities to downtown, and serve the regional purpose with a dedicated regional corridor serving both SoF and the Valley along with the PoCo/Coquitlam and out to Mission.
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