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  1. On 9/7/2020 at 10:48 AM, Orcair said:

    A few thoughts from the 350/351 split:

    I was surprised how busy the 350 was. N=1, but using 40’ seems to have been a good choice. 
     

    351 driver was confused about the route, the fareboxes on the Enviro500s and had no A/C on the upper floor. 
     

    Pax don’t know how to use the pushbars for the Enviro500 rear doors. They kept pushing the middle section instead of near the privacy dividers. Driver didn’t know either and just had them exit from front door. 
     

    Transferring at WR Centre Bay 1 isn’t clear yet. TL should add announcements to transfer on the 351 and what bus to take to Crescent Beach.
     

    It’s weird seeing non-Suburban NOVAs in South Surrey 😂 

    As a follow up to this, wrote into TransLink with these comments and got the following response:

    "We are aware of the scheduling misalignment for transfers between these two routes. This was a scheduling error, and we are currently making adjustments to address the issue. We will also be fully rewriting the schedule in January to account for any outstanding schedule misalignments that we are unable to address immediately."

    Seems like an important oversight, but at least they're addressing it I guess?

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  2. A few thoughts from the 350/351 split:

    I was surprised how busy the 350 was. N=1, but using 40’ seems to have been a good choice. 
     

    351 driver was confused about the route, the fareboxes on the Enviro500s and had no A/C on the upper floor. 
     

    Pax don’t know how to use the pushbars for the Enviro500 rear doors. They kept pushing the middle section instead of near the privacy dividers. Driver didn’t know either and just had them exit from front door. 
     

    Transferring at WR Centre Bay 1 isn’t clear yet. TL should add announcements to transfer on the 351 and what bus to take to Crescent Beach.
     

    It’s weird seeing non-Suburban NOVAs in South Surrey 😂 


  3. 1 minute ago, 8010 said:

    Unless they’re gonna make the 350 run clockwise and keep the 351 running counterclockwise, I have no idea what the terminus routing looks like though. I do agree that White Rock Centre’s layout is questionable from a long-term perspective in terms of layover space, but I think the on-street exchange is fine.

    That's a fair point about the ccw/cw routing and one I didn't consider, so appreciate that! Agree (and should have made it clear that my comments were more directed long-term) -- I realize having buses needing to go in 4 directions makes bus loops on or off-loop a challenge but dedicated space for buses (even their own lane) would make the area a lot easier IMO.


  4. 9 hours ago, Express691 said:

    Regarding 350/351: terminus remains at Oxford/Vine. Could be because of limited space.

    I kind of get why the 351 will remain there, though poor drivers being stuck in the middle of nowhere... but the bay only fits 1 bus so I wonder if they're going to expand it now for the 350 layover too?


    Speaks to a bigger issue, imo, of the layout of the WR Centre Exchange


  5. 27 minutes ago, Large Cat said:

    Thanks for posting this update.

    I'm interested in the nature of the tactical changes being planned for Hastings and 49th. 

    The report also mentions that bus lanes are not being planned for retail-adjacent lanes during the pandemic, presumably to help businesses. But that didn't seem to stop municipalities from converting retail-fronting parking to safe walking/biking space.

    I, too, am interested in what comes out of these tactical changes. It seems like funding has been made available but the report is pretty vague.

    Good point re: land allocation during COVID by municipalities. Didn't think about that during my read through but serves as an important example to frame these changes against.


  6. The 2020 Bus Priority Rapid Response Assessment has been released and includes some important changes to try and improve the bus system: 

    https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/about_translink/governance_and_board/council_minutes_and_reports/2020/july/Agenda--Mayors-Council--PUBLIC-MTG--July-30.pdf

     

    EDIT: Specific examples as follows

    Location considerations for quick implementation of tactical changes:

    49th Ave, Main St to Boundary St (Vancouver)

    Hastings Street, Burrard to Renfrew (Vancouver)1

    Fraser Hwy, 96 Ave and 148 Ave (Surrey)

    Edmonds St, Griffiths St to Canada Way (Burnaby)

    Robson St, Thurlow to Burrard (Vancouver)

    Main St, Broadway to 12th Ave (Vancouver)

    East Broadway, east of Fraser to Commercial Drive (Vancouver)

    Location considerations for quick implementation of bus stop balancing:

    Route 2 (MacDonald / Downtown, Vancouver)

    Route 8 (Fraser / Downtown, Vancouver)

    Route 9 (Boundary / UBC, Vancouver)

    Route 106 (New Westminster Station / Edmonds Station, New Westminster & Burnaby)

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  7. 10 minutes ago, FlyingPig said:

    Isn't 351 service to Crescent already every 30 minutes? Last I checked every second trip terminated at WRC. If frequency on the 350 is indeed halved off peak then you have hourly service.

    That's only on weekends. On weekdays most runs go to Crescent Beach... (except between 10:30am and 2:30pm).

    Of course, the only info I have on the changes is from the 2019 TSR -- no 350 timetable has been publicly released as far as I know.


  8. 11 hours ago, InfiNorth said:

    Just curious - will this mean that Crescent Beach will see a drop in frequency? It is a bit of a bother to me when bus routes are split and the number of necessary transfers for a single trip is increased instead of decreased. Anyone know the rationale behind this change?

    According to TransLink's 2019 TSR, frequency will be the same at peak but be halved off-peak

    2019-Transit-Network-Review-Report.pdf?l

    11 hours ago, Zortan said:

    Probably to reduce delays on the 351 and simplify the service so when you're at White Rock you can always just get on a specific route to get to either Bridgeport or Crescent Beach. From what I've heard the frequency will remain FTN on the 351 and the 350 will be every 30 or something. Not completely sure, though.

    Basically correct, but see above re: frequency.

    3 hours ago, Phillip said:

    They are planning to put double deckers on the 351. It's not a wise use of resource to run empty deckers into Cresent Beach while the South Surrey to Bridgeport portion is very crowded. Another thing is to improve reliability, the train crossing at Cresent Beach messes the 351. I remember becoming 30 minutes late because of that train crossing and then your late for the rest of the trip.

    The 350 is supposed to be the same frequency as the 351 Cresent Beach trips. Because the 350 is being operated by RTC is will be regular buses and not Community Shuttles.   

    I'm not sure how late the 350 will run though, I know that the 351 terminates at 128 st and Cresent road after Midnight unless someone requests the driver to go down.. because of a certain person who keeps complaining of loud buses going through Cresent Beach...

    I've always thought running double deckers on the 351 seemed like a waste, since frequency could be increased (or forcing the buses to run closer to schedule), but I didn't think about the train. That's a really important point. 

    Similarly, I get running 1x Enviro500 every 15 minutes is probably more cost-efficient than a LFS Suburban/Orion V every 7.5 minutes or something. It's just a shame they didn't put more effort into addressing service to the SS/WR area when shortening the 351. Also, glad that they saw the community feedback and will be running 40' on the 350 blocks. My concern was always more to do with the shuttle lift, so I imagine ARBOC shuttles could remedy this and maintain (I guess increase now) frequency to the area if the 40' are too much.

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  9. At least they listened to the community's concerns about shuttle capacity/accessibility v. low-floor for the 350. Reducing frequency from 10mins to 20mins at peak is going to hurt, and isn't a 'slight' reduction. I realize capacity discipline is important and understand why they are reducing it, however.

    It will be interesting to see how they continue to cover Thrift. The 321 now only covers it right before ending the route, so if you board at say Thrift/Foster you have to wait 10-15 mins at the TD before the bus begins its route to Surrey Central. If the 351 continues this pattern I don't really agree with their point that it will continue to be served since the wait will be quite long. I guess I'll wait and see.


  10. 2 minutes ago, nname said:

    I find it hard to imagine there will be significant delay on the 350 portion of the route, once it becomes independent...

    My worry is that the new 350 will be interlined with the 360, 361 and/or 362 which can be delayed relatively quickly as drivers (obviously) need breaks. Given that these routes run every 30 minutes, those delays can snow pile throughout the day. 

    Again, I wish TransLink would provide more information on how the route would work, but I know that it's still up-in-the-air until the plan is approved. 

     

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