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  1. I really do hope Detroit Diesel goes back into the Transit Market. I have nothing wrong with Cummins but I agree with Bus-medic. They do have a monopoly over the transit market. I'm sure southeast Michigan transit agencies would love to have Detroit Diesel engines in their buses to show off their support for buying things made in Detroit. Plus it's time bus manufactures and agencies look at other companies to provide bus engines. #Made in Detroit
  2. chasbo2

    Detroit Diesel engines to Cummins engines

    AATA Switched to Cummins engines in 2007 with their first order of Hybrid Buses. In 2008 six of seven 2000 Gillig low floor buses were repowered with ISL engines. They originally carried Detroit Diesel Series 40E engines but they must have died so they had to replace them with ISL engines. Bus #398 is the only one still powered with a Detroit Diesel Series 40E engine. The same can be said about SMART. According to baul104 luigi he says the 2002/2003 Gillig SMART buses were repowered with ISL engines either in 2004 or 2005.
  3. chasbo2

    Detroit Diesel engines to Cummins engines

    I don't mind Cummins as being one of the suppliers to the coach/bus market but it seems like they have a monopoly over the market and I think it should be split up to have another engine company supply engines to bus manufacters.
  4. So after reading the PDF, it seems they only sold the electronic version to coach/bus manufacters. I am amazed but not surprised. Somehow when I was looking on Gillig's website: http://web.archive.org/web/20011021134537/ it showed it was only selling the electronic version. Even though the had two different liter engines, I can conclude that both engines sound exactly the same.
  5. Ok transit/vehicle experts. I'm trying to figure out the difference between a Detroit Diesel Series 40 engine and a Detroit Diesel Series 40E engine. What I know so far is the 7.6 liter engine is the 40E and the 8.7 liter engine is the regular series 40. Do both engines sound the same or does one sound different than the other?
  6. chasbo2

    Stolen Photos!

    If I knew who was stealing my photos Online I would report it immediately to the FCC. I would also report it to the proper authorities. In fact sometimes If it's a photo that's really personal to me and It's been stolen I would make the person serve life in prison.
  7. chasbo2

    Detroit Diesel engines to Cummins engines

    I heard that Detroit Diesel made two versions of the series 40. The normal series 40 and electronic series 40E. However I found out Detroit only sold the electronic 40 engine to coach/bus manufacturers.
  8. chasbo2

    Ann Arbor Transportation Authority

    I don't think so It seems the AATA is sticking to Gillig's
  9. chasbo2

    Ann Arbor Transportation Authority

    The #360-#374 new flyer buses that were built in 1995 are actually D35LF buses just to let you know and I've ridden on several of those buses when I was a kid. They also have american seating 6466 seats on them.
  10. chasbo2

    SMART (Detroit)

    I actually don't have that many photos of SMART buses since I live just outside the Detroit Metro area. I'll make sure I source my images next time. I just put SMART bus photos that aren't on the roster. So If I post anymore SMART bus photos I'll make sure where I got it from.
  11. chasbo2

    Wiki Editors

    Hey I"m a transit enthusiast for the Ann Arbor Area and I would love to be a CPTDB Wiki editor!
  12. how long does it take for a bus to be built?

  13. chasbo2

    SMART (Detroit)

    Here is a Photo of SMART bus #22337 at the lakeside mall in macomb county Here is SMART bus #22413 on route 510
  14. chasbo2

    SMART (Detroit)

    Listen to this. The gillig buses that SMART purchased in 2001-2003 actually have Detroit Diesel Series 40E engines. The engines are a little smaller (466) cubic inches than their regular engines (530) Cu inches. The 40E engines sounds a little different than their regular engines. In fact they sound similar to the Cummins ISL engine. When I was listening to bus rides courtesy of Baul104, he claims the buses sounds like an ISL engine but really its a DDS-40E engine. I didn't know that until just now. Update: Just found out that Detroit Diesel only sold the series 40 electronic verison to coach/bus manufacters and that the 7.6 Liters (466 cubic inches) and the 8.7 Liters (530) Cu inches sound very similar. The 2002-2003 gillig buses are actullay powered by Cummins ISL engines. I know this becuase it sounds exactly similar to AATA's 2000 gillig's when they had to repower thier engines back in 2008.
  15. I just found out that Detroit Diesel made 2 versions of the DDS-40 series. The regular 8.7 liters (530) cubic inches and the smaller 7.6 (466) cubic inches 40E engine. From 1996-early 2000 Gillig made low floor buses with the 8.7 regular engine and from late 2000-2003 they made buses with the 7.6 40E engine.

    1. chasbo2


      This might explain why its sound confusing between the cummins ISL and the DDS-40. The DDS-40E sounds almost similar to the ISL engine but the regular engine doesn't sound similar at all.