16 McCowan

Are there any TRs on Line 2 this week? I'm thinking of catching one during that period. 

Based on my good eye (likely),  #8154 has been spotted with one for weeks.

3 minutes ago, nfitz said:

Nothing to do with TTC. It's Metrolinx.  https://www.prestocard.ca/en-US/Pages/ContentPages/Notice.aspx  Who appear to have failed to issues warnings about debit/credit.

Sorry... wrong mistake. But thanks for helping!

On to streetcar news, Debit and credit payment is disabled. Just another ordinary day at the TTC.
http://www.cp24.com/news/debit-and-credit-payment-on-new-ttc-streetcars-disabled-due-to-maintenance-1.2989585

10 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

1295, 1300 & 1599 are all from severe front end collisions. 

I only caught word of these incidents, no date as to when these occurred. 

#1300, a Malvern unit was likely reported at Wilson today on the East Track per operator. 

#1295 was out in February, #1599 in March.

Name change to 16 McCowan as requested.

4 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

I think @Bus_Medic's input on the statuses of the buses in the MIA thread are as good as up to date status confirmations, compared to what looks to be a consistently out of date or incorrect service summary. 

 

Also, if a vehicle has their numbers and the TTC emblem scratched off, the interior looks in severe disarray, and all the seat bottoms of the vehicle have been harvested, I would consider that vehicle as good as decommissioned.

So to reiterate and confirm visual sightings of decommissioned VIIs, 1256, 1295, 1300, 1517, 1599, 1671 & 7807 are done and still around Harvey for part harvesting. 

If I put this in chronogical order, it would be #1517 (2009/11-Arson), #1671 (2011-Fire), #1256 (c. 2013-fire IIRC, #7807 (2014-accident). Can you also put any more units as well to add with? The Wiki could have been updated to reflect it. 

4 hours ago, H4 5600 said:

I know that H6's received red seats, flip-up accessible seats, and one center pole was removed. I believe the black paint around the headlights was removed on most, but not all, cars that still had it.

The H5s did the same but likely added flip out accessible seats on some cars. 

And don't forget internal announcers. 

1 hour ago, lip said:

It was definitely an issue last year, it just wasnt as widespread as it is this year.

The thing that surprises me is that there hasnt been an increase in the number of delays related to the A/C issues.

I pretty sure agree with you 100%. At least they should have taken the ones without an A/C out of service until its resolved without customers complaining this issue. 

Seems to me with the A/C on some of the T1s malfunctioned, sets #575, #577 and #580 are now assigned to Greenwood as anyone mentioned.

1 hour ago, PCC Guy said:

But... why? This isn't an epidemic yet, it's just a bunch of buses that were decommissioned because they were expensive to repair or whatever. Making a thread like this at this point in time is as ludicrous as if someone had made a CLRV/ALRV retirement thread back in 2009, after they 86'ed 4063.

For the record, i'm planning to save this thread within the next year or two with the NG hybrids slated to begin retirement next year as depicted in Steve Munro's blog post in January. 

5 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said:

It's 7794 that's renumbered, not 7793

Fixed!

20 minutes ago, bus_7246 said:

Sadly, aside from the three previously stricken hybrids (1256, 1517, & 1671), I believe it's safe to say that 7807, 1295, 1300 & 1599 can be take off the movements list and added to the decommissioned list. 

If anyone would ask, I created this thread here to make it easier to discuss:

https://cptdb.ca/topic/17401-ttc-orion-vii-retirements/

Bold - Stored/Missing in Action 
Strike - Retired

Division Key:
Arrow Road | Birchmount | New Eglinton | Malvern | Mount Dennis | Queensway | Wilson

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Don't blame me but Shawn Isi provided these photos as Toronto Rocket set #5751-#5756 appeared at Kennedy due to A/C problems on the T1s.

According to the new Service Summary, there are 4 ELF buses left.

6 hours ago, skyfirenet said:

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Mayor John Tory set to back another look at a Sheppard subway extension

"imitation is the most sincere form of flattery."

Everyone get out your popcorn and chips. This is about to get hilarious. 

Having been to High Park, Jane and Old Mill, seems to me they are one of the last stations with the bus terminal in the non-fare paid area. I've also been to Wellesley which was used to have a bus terminal in the non-fare paid area. I wonder what happened to it?

#8102 | Nine Lives

2 hours ago, Kelvin3157 said:

Yes, that was the school. But all the decals were removed. Sorry for the second picture, I was on the 108A bus and the window was dirty. I will try to take another picture if I'm available 

Here is the pics: 

It's safe to say Belka likely "purchased" it but I cannot confirm at the moment.

14 minutes ago, Witenite said:

had to put my 2 cents about fare evasion

being in streetcar land, i see it happen with all types of people, rich and poor, male and female, young and old.  Kids have come on..laughing and saying they are 12 and we as operators cant do anything about it.  Just imagine the backlash and PR nightmare if an operator throws a child who is 12 but looks 16 and 17 off his car.  The media would be all over this, twisting the store and calling for a massive public town lynching of the operator.

my biggest gripe is with the fare enforcement officers. ive seen them on the end of the line of the good routes and rarely see them on the routes that have the most problems.  I m sure as operators we can tell them exactly what stops on a route or sections on a route where the most fare evasion happens and yet i never seen them patroling that section or route in the last couple of months.

i can also say from my observations, the fare enforcement officers rarely write up tickets... i mean ive seen people use so many different excuses and they just get a "warning", meanwhile these people walk away just laughing after being spoken to.

I had a discussion with a fellow operator and he mentioned that fare/transit officers in New York City are more respected then an actual New york cops with there no nonsense, strict fair attitude.  Our fare enforcement officers should be the same way, dont have a pop receipt..you get a ticket.  smoking on ttc property get a ticket. enter a station through a bus/streetcar entrance/exit..get a ticket.  too many times ive seen the  turn a blind eye

Fare officers should create an almost fear like atmosphere where if you get caught violating any of the infractions you will get punished...  

In several occasions also I saw one or two persons entering or exiting the station illegally without even using the proper entrance. The most recent example was I saw a woman exiting Downsview Stn. through the terminal illegally last week. So much for by-law violations.

I don't know guys but it seems units #9890 (and possibly #9891) could be considered retired as judging by this picture.

TTC just bought these two almost 6 years ago (2010) and its still even active on the wiki.

2 hours ago, Lex R. said:

Those 97 could be split with Mount Dennis or Malvern, on the document it did show it was to replace 10 of the Orion VII First Generation Hybrids. But the order could have that Arrow Queensway spilt which i see Arrow loosing the rest of its Hybrids to that

Anyone have the link to the document? 

I'm amused that Wilson or Birchmount isn't mentioned on the list. But problem is if the order goes Queensway, many of the 79/80xxs  migrate to other divisions. Same story with Arrow Road, new order pushes some 7900s and the remaining hybrids out of Arrow Road. 

1 hour ago, Xtrazsteve said:

It's not the first gen but the NGs that are retiring first. The didn't refurbish all the first gens for them just to hit the scrap yard in a year.

MtD has the best routes for hybrids. As much as I would love to see some diesel buses at MtD, they are better off with hybrids. With exception of a few routes like 32A, 41E and 52. Malvern is not hybrid friendly at all. I won't be surprised if hybrids were last to retire at MtD.

I like it better when Malvern ran diesel-powered Orion Vs. Still no surprise they don't have any 40' Orion VII diesel buses (7400s or 7900s) in Malvern's fleet.

Service Changes for next board provided by Steve Munro:
https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/20160731servicechanges.pdf

Among the changes:

• Many routes are starting at 8:00 am or earlier.
• The biggest surprise is the 300 BLOOR-DANFORTH will be loading west at Kipling Stn. using the 192 AIRPORT ROCKET (300A/B) and terminating east at Kennedy Stn. sharing the 20 CLIFFSIDE and 113 DANFORTH bays instead of looping via North Service, South Service, Transway, and Kennedy continuing east at Eglinton.
• Also at Kennedy, 334 EGLINTON EAST will load west using the 34 bay and east using the 86E/198 bay as well as 343 KENNEDY sharing the 43 bay.
• 509 HARBOURFRONT and 511 BATHURST will turn back at Fleet Loop with shuttle buses head to the CNE.
• As a result of constructions of Chaplin and Forest Hill, 33 FOREST HILL's looping will run clockwise instead of counterclockwise north on Spadina, west on Eglinton, north on Bathurst, east on Roselawn, east and south on Chaplin, west on Eglinton and south on Spadina to route.
• 514 CHERRY will have one run using one Flexity car. Beginning 2017, the route will use the LFLRVs.