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  1. Recently I made 3 different personal sandbox pages to test out new stuff for the CPTDB wiki: two Blue Bird VIN pages with the new format based on manufacturing plant to take advantage of some new method of obtaining VINs I just did and another for the 1992 New Flyer VIN page to decide whether or not anyone wants the old 1992 'N VINs' added to the current 2022 New Flyer VIN page (https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/New_Flyer_Industries_'N_VINs'). I just found out another, more potent method of using the Blue Bird Vantage website (http://vantage.blue-bird.com/Portal/Unit-Dashboard.aspx) to obtain a lot of Blue Bird VINs in a matter of days; by entering a couple of number/letters on the search bar (minimum of 5, e.g. the first 5 digits of the body/chassis factory service number and at least 5 digits of the chassis ID), a list will be generated showing the results of that bus lookup with a limit of 500 entries - enough to get every single VIN for certain Blue Bird vehicle models. That research I did gave me some important info: the Q-Bus model was discontinued during the 2003 model year instead of 2001 and the Xcel 102 was introduced in mid-2002 for the 2003 model year instead of 2001. Here are some examples of obtaining VINs using that practice at the aforementioned website: FL4RE: All Ultra LF buses built in Fort Valley, GA WL4RE: All Ultra LF buses built at the Wanderlodge facility FL3RE: All Ultra LMB buses FQBRE: 1998-2003 Blue Bird Q-Bus VINs WM4RE: All Blue Bird Express buses FC4RE: Possibly all Blue Bird Xcel 102 buses F2156: Blue Bird Fort Valley, GA VINs F215600-F215699 So, what do you think? Separating the old New Flyer VINs (1987-1992) from the new ones (2017-2022) are optional but splitting the old and the new Blue Bird letter/number VINs are mandatory as those pages can become huge enough to cause slowdowns on the wiki while editing. This newly discovered practice of getting Blue Bird VINs mean a much bigger opportunity to fill in a lot of important missing pieces of info from one notable school bus builder having a somewhat obscure presence in the transit bus industry.
  2. And now for some more pages requiring renaming: https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Pace_6162-6233 to Pace 6162-6212, 6214-6233: Pace's xx13 fleet number had been removed since 1989, thus 6213 does not exist https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Foothill_Transit_2734-2753 to Foothill Transit 2734-2744 and https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Foothill_Transit_2754-2762 to Foothill Transit 2745-2762: Foothill Transit's 2020 ENC order ended at 2744 while the 2021 order started at 2745 https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/File:New_Flyer_Industries_logo.PNG to File:New Flyer Industries logo (2004-2018).png: the image displayed in the main infobox is no longer the current version of the New Flyer logo as it was revised in February 2018 with the emblem being opaque and larger; also noting that the old New Flyer logos should be added to the main New Flyer page as well https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/File:NABI_logo.png to File:NABI logo (2002-2015).png: the original 1997-2002 logo should be added to the main NABI page therefore the image displayed in the infobox must be renamed
  3. It is possible now to expand and possibly convert some of the Blue Bird Company VINs by using this website right here: http://vantage.blue-bird.com/Portal/Unit-Dashboard.aspx I have been using it for over two weeks to look up a full VIN but I discovered a method of searching the VINs simply by entering the chassis/body (aka serial) number; for example, entering F202405 (LA Metro 9974) on the bus lookup search bar gave me this entry with the owner part of that page being misleading: http://vantage.blue-bird.com/Portal/Unit-Dashboard.aspx?search= 1BAGNBXA92F202405 And then entering the next serial in sequence (F202406) gave me a previously unknown Blue Bird CS Bus belonging to Cruise West in Alaska: http://vantage.blue-bird.com/Portal/Unit-Dashboard.aspx?search= F202406 Some of the sequence numbers (e.g. F202407-F202408) however might not exist so I tried the next one in sequence (F202409) and it shows another previously unknown Blue Bird All American FE vehicle from West Central Mass Transit in Illinois: http://vantage.blue-bird.com/Portal/Unit-Dashboard.aspx?search= F202409 Blue Bird VIN pages made in the new format should be based on the manufacturing plant; the Wanderlodge VINs are the easiest to make as the existing Blue Bird Express and 2005-2007 Blue Bird Ultra LF VINs can be consolidated into a single page containing the vehicles built at that plant while adding previously undocumented VINs as well; there are under 600 units spanning from the 2003-2007 model years with the serials ranging from W100000-W100590; VINs with the Wanderlodge plant code based on the new format should be labeled as: Blue Bird Wanderlodge '[x model year] VINs' Beware that some of the 2003-2007 Wanderlodge VINs are later production Blue Bird Wanderlodge RVs bought under private ownership which may have to labeled as commercial vehicles. For the Fort Valley, GA VINs however, this process is longer than converting the Wanderlodge pages as there are a lot of VINs that have not been documented on the wiki coupled with the huge number of vehicles (mostly school buses) built at that plant (e.g. Blue Bird All American, Vision, TC2000, TC1000, CS Bus, early production Ultra LFs, Xcel 102 models, etc.) therefore it should likely be based on model year along with serial number like the Gillig Low Floor VINs made in the new format; VINs with the Fort Valley, GA plant code based on the new format should be labeled as: Blue Bird Fort Valley, GA '[x model year] VINs' The Blue Bird All American 'B-M VINs' if the old VIN format were to be retained will have to be separated as a result of the expansion thanks to the new method of finding Blue Bird VINs I discovered by labeling the pages as, for example: Blue Bird All American 1991 'M VINs' or Blue Bird All American 'M VINs' (1991) for the 1991 model year Blue Bird All American 2021 'M VINs' or Blue Bird All American 'M VINs' (2021) for the 2021 model year I also found an updated Blue Bird VIN definition chart (https://vantage.blue-bird.com/Portal/VIN-Definition-chart1.aspx) on the same Blue Bird Vantage website that describes the serial numbers, meaning that the Blue Bird VIN Explanation should be updated to include the info found on that aforementioned chart.
  4. These are the following pages and files that are to be renamed: https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/File:Long_Beach_Transit_1839-a.jpg to Long Beach Transit 1836-a.jpg; the photo clearly shows 1836 instead of 1839; I did photograph the real 1839 with a lit headsign though I have not uploaded that image to the wiki yet. https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Pace_20401-20485 to Pace 20400-20412, 20414-20485; it was found that 20413 does not exist and 20400 does exist as seen in this photo here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mbernero/50213185221/
  5. These are another set of following pages that are to be renamed: https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Washington_Metropolitan_Area_Transit_Authority_4000-4104 to Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority 4001-4104; it was found that 4000 does not exist as 4001's license plate (shown in picture) comes up as 1GF5ACVK0RD105290 https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Regional_Transportation_District_2000-2303 to Regional Transportation District 2001-2303; the Denver RTD roster (https://utahrails.net/ajkristopans/DENVER31Mar2018.txt Ctrl+F 2303) shows that 2000 does not exist and is instead an ex-Dallas 1964 GMC TDH-5303 New Look bus. https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Optima_Bus_Corporation_American_Heritage_Streetcar_'2_VINs' to Chance Coach American Heritage Streetcar '2 VINs'; Optima Bus Corporation before 2003 was still Chance Coach and the World Manufacturer Identifier for Chance Coach 2002 and earlier model year VINs are different from 2003-2009 model VINs; also the build plates like this one (https://www.purplewave.com/auction/130605/item/D8275/2001-Chance_Coach-Transit_Vehicles-Bus-Kansas) have the Chance Coach logo instead of the Optima logo; the trolleybuses have nameplates on the front that determine whether it's a pre-2003 Chance Coach model or 2003-2009 Optima model; the same goes for the Opus buses which have the nameplate on the rear... beware that there are a few Chance Coach buses that have the Optima logo as a retrofit, like this one for example (https://www.flickr.com/photos/thetransitcamera/10110002193/) The other 2002 and prior Opus and American Heritage Streetcar VINs pages should also be renamed for the aforementioned reasons noted above.
  6. These are the following pages that are to be renamed: https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Washington_Metropolitan_Area_Transit_Authority_2400-2459 to Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority 2401-2459 or Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority 2401-2464; it was found that 2400 does not exist and 2465-2469 are in the same batch as 2401-2459 https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Washington_Metropolitan_Area_Transit_Authority_4201-4412 to Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority 4200-4412; it was found that 4200 does exist with a VIN found on the WMATA Angelfire.com roster: http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/nebuses/rosters/wmata.html (Ctrl+F 4200) https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/El_Sol_L301-L308 to El Sol L301-L307; it was found that unit L308 does not exist https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/SunLine_Transit_Agency_FC13-FC18 to SunLine Transit Agency FC14-FC18 but there is a photo (https://www.facebook.com/groups/SoCalTransitfans/permalink/2615907895124035/) that shows FC13 being a New Flyer XHE40; apparently it may have been a 2019 model separated from the rest of the batch or it had been renumbered and sold to another agency. https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/ElDorado_National_XHF and https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/ElDorado_National_Transmark_RE should be renamed to ElDorado National Transmark RE/XHF because the XHF from 2006-2011 has the same design as the Transmark RE from 2000-2005.
  7. This page (https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Metropolitan_Area_Commuter_System_T945-T946) has to either be renamed 'Metropolitan Area Commuter System 941-948' or 'Metropolitan Area Commuter System T941-T948' because a Public Surplus auction shows 947 being a 30 foot Gillig Phantom; and units 941-944 and 948 are also 30 foot Gilligs too; using the VIN code for 35 foot Gillig Phantoms will not work for these aforementioned units in that page.
  8. https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=sunbus&user_id=22421801%40N00&view_all=1 This page (https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/SunLine_Transit_Agency_575-615) has to be renamed 'SunLine Transit Agency 575-621' because, by clicking the URL provided above, there are some photos that clearly show units 618, 620, and 621 exist as 2008 New Flyer C40LF buses; the page is not finished yet with units 589, 596-598, and 600-601 missing VINs.
  9. This page (https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Los_Angeles_County_Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority_12501-12536) has to be renamed into three separate pages: 'Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority 12500-12527', 'Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority 12530-12534', and 'Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority 12535-12536' because the URL I have provided below for the LA Metro contractor fleet roster shows units 12530-12536 are actually cutaway buses, not ElDorado MST II diesel buses and fleet numbers 12528-12529 do not exist at all. Units 12530-12534 are 2001 ElDorado National Aerotechs with Ford Econoline cabs, originally numbered 8064-8068; VINs for these buses are: 1HA06456-1HA06460 Units 12535-12536 are 2002 ElDorado National Aerotechs with Ford Econoline cabs, ex-Pasadena Transit 1764-1765 ; VINs for these buses are unknown. Units 12500-12527 are 2001 ElDorado National MST II diesel buses originally numbered 11500-11527; VINs for these buses are: 1CH89443-1CH894470 LA Metro's MST II diesel buses are missing some important stuff found in a typical bus series' info page and were renumbered out of order from their original fleet numbers. Source: http://www.rapidtransit-press.com/mta.html
  10. LACMTA 11038 at Los Cerritos Center, serving line 130 on January 15th, 2019. LA Metro is among the last American transit agencies to operate the Orion VI in regular service; these vehicles are contracted to MV Transportation for use on lines 125, 128, 130, 205, and 232. Metro's Orions have been plagued with the little to no maintenance work for most of their entire service lives, effectively making these buses guaranteed a risk of engine fire. Unit 11034 has been recently involved in an engine fire yesterday morning, after 11062 had a similar fate not too long ago; as a result, these Orion VI buses are about to be replaced very soon by new ENC Axess buses.
  11. http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi2yaXtk6nhAhWhJDQIHTzlBTMQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpicssr.com%2Fphotos%2Flucian400%2Finteresting%2Fpage21%3Fnsid%3D40633006%40N04&psig=AOvVaw36IdPK17wTVldf9qpmMbog&ust=1554010893121591 I just found out some hidden info that no one has known yet while I was finishing the page for OCTA's 2006-2007 model year New Flyer C40LFRs: unit 5611 supposedly has two separate VINs: Old: '5FYC5FP117C032209', built around September-October 2007 New: '5FYC5FP147C034886', built in late 2008-early2009. Both of those VINs correspond to 2007 model year C40LFRs with C Gas Plus engines... by clicking on the link above, you will see George Lumbreras' photo of OCTA unit 5611 in the year 2010, with the license plate number '1306063'. I entered that license plate number by using that link (https://www.vehiclehistory.com/license-plate-search/) and when I did so, it gave me the VIN with the serial number '7C034886' The Cummins Westport C Gas Plus engine was discontinued in early 2008 after units 5648, and 7501-7528 from the OCTA were built by New Flyer but somehow in late 2008-early 2009, OCTA unit 5611 was built, with a C Gas Plus engine in it. I have not seen or rode this unit before; it is currently contracted to First Transit at Irvine, CA. Here is the question that you users have to solve: Why does OCTA unit 5611 have two separate VINs and is this the very last New Flyer bus with a C Gas Plus engine?
  12. This page (https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Orange_County_Transportation_Authority_5502-5599,_5601-5674, ) either needs its comma removed at the end or it has to be renamed 'Orange County Transportation Authority 5501-5599, 5601-5674, 7501-7529' if you want to merge all of the separate pages for OCTA units 5501, 7529, and 7501-7528 into the main page itself, which is huge considering there are 200 units in OCTA's 2007 model year New Flyer C40LFRs along with the 2006 model demo unit.
  13. 1. This is the big offender here: once again, the behavioral therapy sessions, which have lasted over 2 years now are annoying me so hard when I have to communicate often resulting me in constant spaz attacks an severe behavioral problems even to the point in some cases I had to hit myself because I'm cooperating with this heinous program... that stupid design! I have that 3 times per week and after each session I force myself to go on some bus trips just to try to destroy these insolent fools... these sessions are not in the position to demand anything, that nasty little paincushion! 2. I'm eating the same foods over and over again such as white rice, shrimp, bananas, the same brand of meals and snacks from Costco and not anywhere else, and what's even worst is that my parents refuse to eat or buy foods such as cheese, olives, bacon, baked potatoes, canned food, and some others they do not know how to cook or eat... what fools they are for such negligence. 3. On the streets there are cars that accelerate fired up with extremely loud engines that look like race cars in everyday life. 4. There are people who want money especially me but I refuse to give because I need the money for my own needs. 5. My dad is mad at me for shopping every day but I only do so mostly during bus trips.
  14. Lately I've been trying to get VINs for OCTA's 2007 New Flyer C40LFRs by putting the license plate numbers using this site (https://www.vehiclehistory.com/licence-plate-search/free-licence-plate-search-california.php ) but it fails, leading me into this error page because that site just had been updated, effectively making bus VINs impossible and futile to get right now.
  15. http://www.chaffeeyiu.com/photo/ladot/ladot-85001.jpg I am requesting this page (https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Los_Angeles_Department_of_Transportation_85002-85004) to be renamed as 'Los Angeles Department of Transportation 85001-85004' since there is a photo of 85001 (ex-Laidlaw 5488) with its engine open from Chaffee Yiu's website as provided in the URL above. That bus was burned sometime after receiving its new engine, paint, and destination sign.
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