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  1. AMG

    Gillig product discussion

    It depends a lot on the options specified in the order. From what I've seen, they're about the same -- a bit over 27000 pounds for a base model with light seats and minimal options. Maybe the XD40 can come in a bit under 27000 if you choose standard windows, non-opening? If you drop A/C, you save a few hundred pounds, but does anyone do that anymore, other than far northern and a few Quebec operators? The low floors do not get the same ventilation as a New Look, so weather that may be tolerable in a Fishbowl would be unpleasant in a low floor. Also, in cold climates, there will be auxiliary heaters and perhaps extra insulation that would add some weight back, I think.
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    Los Angeles MTA

    I heard that the bus needed to tag axle to stay within axle weight limits. Those things weighed about 31000 pounds, IIRC.
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    Portland TriMet

    Salem liked the RTS. Lack of a front door lift until the WFD model was an issue for many operators.
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    Société de transport de Lévis

    According to the wki, Autocars des Chutes still has 7 Classics, including 2 ex-Santa Monica. I'm guessing that information is a few years old at least....
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    Gillig product discussion

    Neoplan and New Flyer high floors could be ordered with transverse or longitudinal engines. The Flx Metros were all transverse, and nearly all RTSes were transverse. None were anything like the LFS. I saw an angle drive converter on a tour of CTA shops back in 2000. It attached to the end of the ZF transmission, reversed power 180 degrees and then made a right turn towards the differential. This was for one of their Series 50 Metros.
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    Gillig product discussion

    In theory, but there is a limited pot of funding available, so many cities have to operate their buses quite a bit longer.
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    Gillig product discussion

    Bus weight will vary significantly by specification. For example, the continuous windows add significant weight, and other options, such as seats, A/C systems, cooling systems, etc., will cause weight to vary significantly from one order to the next. For minimum weight on the Gillig, you don't want any of the BRT stuff, and you want simple lightweight seats, no bike rack, smallest fuel tank, standard windows, etc. From what I have seen, the Gillig and NFI low floors are roughly comparable in weight, but precise comparisons are not possible unless you find two that are spec'd as closely together as possible. It is also likely that technical documents that are part of a bid response would have a pretty accurate estimate, but I'm guessing that those documents cannot be made public. I'm pretty sure the engine was longitudinal but offset to one side, similar to the Orion VI. The third gen moved it to a central mount.
  8. True for both Gillig and the window supplier. Pricing like this is really just an example.
  9. In a Gillig contract from 4 years ago, where fixed hidden frame windows were in the base contract, fixed standard frame provided a $1527 credit. Fixed transom gave a $502 credit, and hidden frame with transom cost $1850. Sliding is only available on standard windows. These costs are for Ricon windows. Arow and Dura are different. Not included in this is the extra maintenance cost, and the cost of extra fuel burned from the extra weight.
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    Winnipeg Transit and area

    Would they consider CNG?
  11. Orion didn't actually go bankrupt when they left the market in 2012 -- the parent company (Daimler) just shut them down. Though without Daimler's deep pockets, who knows what would have happened.
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    Buses for sale

    You have to wonder. The VIN would indicate 2000 if they bothered to look.
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    Buses for sale

    Those are 2000 models.
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    Saskatoon Updates

    On my trip, there were more Classics downtown than at the university. Most routes that go to the university also go downtown, but there were some, such as the airport route, that do not go to the university, but have Classics mid day. I would start downtown and then head to the university if there is time. I think 90 minutes downtown is enough to see every bus that goes there.
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